47: JD Murgolo on "Fragile Moments" in the "Dark Days / Bright Nights" of Managing Mental Health

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How should you react?
If someone tells you, they can

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cure your anxiety or guarantee
that you will lose 20 pounds by

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a certain date?
I thought meditation was about

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clearing your head.
Are you telling me it can also

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increase your frequency of
thought?

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What does the title Dark Days,
Bright Nights mean, and can a

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bag of Funyuns serve as a litmus
test for attending to our

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physical and mental health?
Stay tuned as we touch on these

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and many other topics on this
week's episode of untether your

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life.
Welcome to untether your life,

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physical and mental wellness.

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Impacting the South Asian

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We speak with experts in

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meditation and mindfulness folks
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illness, clinicians with
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I am your host in a kilt or scar
I'm passionate about the power

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of conversation to catalyze
change this week, we speak with

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JD margalo AKA JD the Jedi.
An ace certified health coach

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and personal trainer, as well as
the founder of veritas fit.

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Whose aim is to build a Wellness
Community where individuals can

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feel supported and find
sustainable resources as they

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try to lead healthier lives for
years, he had been an educator

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before realizing that the health
and wellness realm was his true

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calling.
When he's not designing programs

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for his clients, Client
questions posting his podcast or

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tweeting about mental health.
You'll find him enjoying a nice

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run or watching some hockey
alongside him is his wife Tracy

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and his son.
Daniel and with that, let's get

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untethered.
So I'll let you add to that JD

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anything.
Obviously, an addition to the

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latest addition to the morgue,
Ola plan, or anything else you

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want to add to that.
Yes, that's the most important

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probably Edition that I need to
talk to 8 and edit their.

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We do have a daughter, she'll be
a month old tomorrow.

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Hairline.
So we have a full house.

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That's again my yeah, thank you.
You know, it's something that

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kind of like, opens your eyes to
a lot of things to my wife, and

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I have been here.
We enjoy that part of it, that

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it's like, you know, you're
doing something for another

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human being, right?
It's kind of like an arm in my

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case, you know fuels every bit
of what I do because he's the

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kind of conversations.
I want them to hear, maybe not

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mine.
They may not like my voice at

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all when they're that age.
But you know, these are things

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that they're going to benefit
from knowing that weren't

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necessarily shared as
frequently.

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We and as freely when we were
younger, you know growing up.

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Yeah obviously LinkedIn is kind
of like the go-to place to find

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out someone's background.
So people are I'm sure they were

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you know Googling your name and
finding that your broad title is

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mental health consultant, but
then you're also an AC certified

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health coach.
Can you talk a little bit about

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your journey to mental health?
What is it specifically that you

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do with mental health,
currently?

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And then the second part of that
is what brought you to

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minestrone.
Yeah, absolutely I think those

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things are tough.
I mean, I, we were talking

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about, I think social medias, is
this weird and I feel like it's

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the thing that ages me because
all these, I mean, we're only

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talking 10 12 years ago, but
they all kind of were coming

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into existence at that point,
you know, Facebook being the one

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that been there the most.
But number one, you know, as a

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teacher like, it's not a good
idea to social media necessarily

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for one, if you can cut it out.
You know, that was approached

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number 12 stepping back there.
So, prior to this current role,

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you were an You were teacher
wife and I were both middle

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school.
Middle school.

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Montessori teacher.
So if you know anything about

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education, Montessori is very
life focused but as far as

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social media goes, I may never
never use a more than like a

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personal thing.
You know, those hashtags,

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algorithms, all those things you
talked about.

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Now, just weren't a thing and so
now it's like, you know, you

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have all these things that like
have to go along with it and the

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wind and the where and I want to
go back to that version because

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then it was just what I'm
comfortable with.

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And that is just here, this is
my piece of the world that I'm

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willing to share with you.
Do what you want with it.

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I don't care if it gets any
likes period and so it just kind

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of snowballs into this but then
you look at like, you know what

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your titling, somebody
sometimes, you know, the

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platform will just say, like,
okay, you can type it in or you

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got all these people that are
all of a sudden, like spiritual

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healers, is where I like seeing
the fall on all the time.

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I'm like, yeah, I know that the
thing.

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But like, do people really know
that, are they looking for that?

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I'm not just a personal trainer,
I'm not a right, I wouldn't

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necessarily call myself a
consultant Because I'm not

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giving you like a prescription
of like this is what you have to

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do.
I'm giving you some kind of like

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tools.
It's hard with those kind of

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things as to what it is.
You kind of the friends like odd

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mix but I think the broad
umbrella Beyond I guess we're

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talking about terms would be the
dark days Bright Nights project

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so maybe I'd love to hear more
about that because we've been

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following each other for about
six months.

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I think and I feel like every
time I check out your profile

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you've got something new in the
works.

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So it's really interesting to
see the evolution but Dark Days,

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Bright Nights, maybe if you can
talk a little bit more about.

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So it stemmed from just this
whole time, we were talking

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about the guy began as a
personal trainer.

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I knew that Health was
important.

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I didn't realize how much of
like, the mental side.

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I was really interested in.
I have a degree in Psychology.

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I knew from very early on when I
walked into the doors of college

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that.
Yep, this is what I'd like to

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major in.
I knew only that I didn't want

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to sit on the couch and then
that was it.

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And then go through college, go
through life, you know, I don't

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know what I'm gonna do.
My mom has been a teacher all as

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long as I can remember and a
spot came open.

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Owen and I was like, oh I
watched you do this mom.

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Like this is not going to be for
me and it took like day one and

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I'm like this is great.
I didn't have a degree in

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education.
I have two of them now but it

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wasn't something that I was
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I don't really enjoy kids.
I worked in retail.

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So I saw like the worst kind of
kid running through a store.

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I'm like, yeah, sure, no.
But I was having conversations

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with kids, and this is Middle
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So it's a different stage in
life versus, you know, a first

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grader.
But you were having these like

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conversations especially as a
Montessori education.

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That's weird.
Focus is.

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Yes, the academics are there,
but if you can't find your

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notebook, if you can't time
manage, if you can't at least

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kind of put a thumb on, what's
going on in your mind.

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Let alone all the crazy changes
biologically in Middle School,

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you kind of out there in no
man's land.

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It doesn't matter if you like
algebra or not.

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How did this segue into mental
health and how did that sort of

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bring about the?
So I prefix and made my way into

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the health realm just from the
personal trainer side of it.

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And then I realized all these
conversations that I was having

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were just like those ones is.
The teacher that I'm having the

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same conversation with adult
that I was having with a 12 year

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old that you're stuck somewhere
in your mind.

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You know I can tell you how to
exercise, I can tell you what to

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eat, you're not doing it because
something is stopping you and

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then it clicked it was like,
okay?

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Like you don't enjoy telling
what people to eat you enjoy

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helping people navigate their
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Everybody should be comfortable
to some degree about their story

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about, you know, what's going on
in their mind.

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And a lot of people probably
aren't because of that stage in

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life, that they may have had
Adult better that's a parent or

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a friend or a teacher that was
like, why are you acting out?

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Like, you need to be
disciplined.

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Just go back to work and they
needed to tell you why they

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don't understand it.
Yeah, I'm so it was like, okay,

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like these are the things that
I'm talking about.

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Anyway, my life.
These are the things that I

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enjoyed at one stage of career
in my life.

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How do I get help people get to
that same thing?

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How do I support that
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So did you start incorporating?
I don't know if counseling is

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the right term, but how did you
start incorporating this?

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Did this start of get into Woven
while you were doing, Veritas

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fit it, did personal training,
so maybe if you could walk me

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through sort of how that you can
part of your menu of offering.

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If I gradually shifted like,
what the program's, how they

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were worded.
Like I said, I understand that

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part of being healthy and part
of fixing your mind and

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Gathering the right tools and
skills needed is getting outside

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and moving.
You don't necessarily have to

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run a marathon.
You do need to move part of it

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is eating the right thing.
I feel the worst.

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I may love eating Taco Bell and
having a Mountain Dew but if I

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Really think about it.
Those are the days where I'm

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probably a little bit more
anxious and anything for me, you

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know what?
So it was kind of just slowly in

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the conversation and I realized
like, okay this is the chapter

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close to the perfect opportunity
to not start over.

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I'm a firm believer and
rethinking before you need to

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start up.
Certainly there are

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opportunities moments where you
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So I kind of just shifted it
slowly and surely for there's

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another piece that I learned
from teaching that wife and I

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met at a training facility in
Cincinnati and we both lived

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here in North Carolina.
But I would come back from those

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sessions and go.
I got to do this, they were

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doing this in that classroom
that looked amazing to do.

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And I learned quickly that you
can't just be like, okay let's

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put this in the classroom and
watch it work.

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Just as magical as they had it
working.

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When I saw it, sometimes it
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But if you're in the middle of a
school year and you introduces,

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you know, whatever it was, you
know, so I had came back one

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year for example, and all the
kids in the school that we were

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training at.
They're allowed to eat anytime

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they want as a middle school as
well, they eat.

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So we had to like observe
classrooms but they were only

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allowed to eat fresh fruits and
veggies in the And water, you

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could kind of had anything you
wanted for lunch, we're not

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going to tell you what to bring
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They're certainly schools that
did it but I was like, it's

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beautiful, it's great.
Let's do that.

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This is it work.
So I was like okay this needs to

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be a principal for the very
beginning and this is part of

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the curriculum stuck, a lot
better.

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So same thing now you know okay
I have all these ideas.

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This is what I'd like it to
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I can't just do it overnight, it
won't work for people that are

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paying attention.
They're gonna be like well you

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were that yesterday what
happened?

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So Kind of gradually shifted
into just the podcast being

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called that, you know, I pulled
back the name that it be, they

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were Health talks because again,
don't like talking necessarily

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about how to exercise.
We know how to you don't, you

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don't know what to do as far as
like, how do I make that stick?

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And then I closed the chapter
and said Veritas fit is was then

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that's what I've learned.
This is what I've gained, this

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is the conversation now and it's
still funny.

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Are you still doing a physical
fitness like Consulting arm?

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That's all part of the services
that go along with what I do and

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their clients.
Hands up.

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It's just not the whole
conversation.

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Now is part of so much more
holistic and more correct?

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Yeah, because you can't, it's
not something that exists in a

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vacuum, right?
I mean, if somebody is being

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eating and binge watching
Netflix binging on social media,

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it's the Hub and spoke model,
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It all fits into this wheel that
if you're just focusing on one

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piece, it's really not going to
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that they just ate a whole bag
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Yeah, well you're not getting to
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wounded inner child that needs
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that.
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just focus on their mental
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then this is a controversial
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But like body positivity is one
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There's this all sizes are

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beautiful and it's all about
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If I do agree that people
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unrealistic standard of beauty,
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destructive.
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person a pass to eat the whole
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while they're trying to feel
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It's completely
counterintuitive, right?

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It's counterproductive, is I
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of that coin, right?
You do have those conversations

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if someone comes in to a gym and
they want to feel healthier,

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right?
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conversations about that
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They just call it mindset.
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got mental health issues, not
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problem.
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look at somebody that came into
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about their past and their
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are you living your life?
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mean going to the gym or what
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parts of that kind of.
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conversation.
That's what I was realizing.

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We're having the same.
Station bright 11, just goes

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more depth than the other and
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So yes, you do need both those
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version of that's and that's no
one's really necessarily

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connecting those dots and like
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that hey, you don't have to
separate issues, you have two

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separate bubbles under the same
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about simultaneously.
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conversations end up.
Being you have to understand

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what your scope of practice is.
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say I love getting to that point
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like, look, I'm not equipped to
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And I'm not comfortable like,
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I have to say but right, that's
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That you've got to that point.
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Not everybody loves that part.
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goes.
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JT fix it JD's.
The person he's the man who

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fixed let me highlight it.
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that.
Like I don't want to be the

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person I want to say that like
his programs got to be his

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conversation.
I don't want to be the first.

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Yeah but that so this might This
might fly in the face of that

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this question, but if there's
any success stories of people

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that you've worked with, I'd
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somebody who maybe was
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or an eating disorder and they
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pounds.
The one that always like sticks

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around like the holidays time.
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had an idea that like you know
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something else and they were
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journaling there.
Just weren't necessarily like

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approaching in the darker part
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verbiage and very compassionate
respectful for that.

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Of course, you know, when you're
having these kind of tough

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conversations, no matter what
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someone's bound to get upset too
with you because they have to

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get upset at somebody right.
When you thought of really

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things, that's how it came out.
It was like, well, that's not

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what I signed up for.
I thought this is going to be

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this this and this and you know,
so I have to go back to it.

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I'm like well every time we
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same thing like I'm not an
expert in that and sometimes you

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have to be a little bit more
like clear that Maybe you do

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need to talk to somebody,
they're not connecting that dot

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and the last communication with
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Like, you know, I apologizing
that you surely like, felt like

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you signed up for one thing
would wear it, but it's always

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has to be clear.
You should always be clear with

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you are, are going to do because
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because if someone goes in
thinking that somewhere, they

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were going to lose 20 pounds,
for instance, which give us

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something physical and they lost
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because you said 20, if you
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understanding how unrealistic
Some of people's goals are

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especially with health.
You have to be clear.

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So it took like a week and all
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email and a random review.
You know, I automatically send a

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review of the end for and it was
that it was just a realization

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that like, no.
Sorry.

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I don't need to apologize
either, but it was in there was

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in the wording that was, like,
here's the steps that I took.

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I had a lot more Barry that I
wasn't aware of, you know,

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appreciative that like we got to
a point that I was able to allow

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them to do that.
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step happen because that's when
we get that kind of thing wrong

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to like make it seem like a
therapy works, you know, go do

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that.
It takes a lot for you to be

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able to admit it and be take
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So it was like all these things
just opened up and cascaded for

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them.
I mean, I got to like a Page

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worth of review, but, you know,
guile huge letter that was like,

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this is not what I thought it
was going to be, it was better

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actually and I'm sorry,
basically that I wasn't open to

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do that, but that kind of story
is great for me and makes me

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feel good.
Because that's what I walked

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into it for, you know, I didn't
walk in going.

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Okay, I'm a cure their anxiety.
You watch.

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You can't, you can't because you
don't know what's going to

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trigger that anxiety later.
You know what it triggered it

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now and we can arm you with the
tools to manage it later so that

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when that comes your mind's eye,
well this is familiar.

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So my initial response is to
have you freak out, but then you

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can go and say, okay, well,
here's what I was given to deal

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with it.
The last time, let's see if that

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works, and it may work.
Maybe all of a sudden, this is a

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way more traumatic moment than
you were dealt with last but you

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have a starting point.
So that's what I end up doing

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for people is kind of getting
that conversation started making

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myself and then fully aware that
there's going to be another

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step.
I want you to kind of just get

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comfortable with yourself and
authentic with yourself and give

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you the necessary tools to move
forward.

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And for a lot of people, that's
what they needed first, they

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just needed to kind of hear
those terms and a sustainable,

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realistic way versus someone
going.

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Okay, give me six months, you're
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Lose twenty pounds, you're going
to feel great and you're going

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to make a million dollars
because you feeling so great.

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No, no, you can't do that to
somebody, you know, and I think

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we get that, I mean, might be a
hot take, but I think we get

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that wrong.
A lot of times when it comes to

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mental health, especially you
can't.

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There's a lot of things, you
can't cure.

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Yeah, I mean, it's a journey.
I think that in our

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overachieving world, sometimes
we tend to have this.

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I'm gonna zap all my anxieties
in my depression and I'm gonna

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like you said, lose 20 pounds.
By X date.

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And that's just, I think you're
just setting yourself up for

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failure with that approach.
You know, it you need to look at

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it as a Continuum and you had a
great post about course

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correction.
Maybe if you can talk a little

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bit more about that just talking
about like that's why they

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pencils have erasers because you
always have the opportunity to

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course.
Correct.

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So maybe in your journey, I
guess.

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Maybe if we could back up.
Also, because I want to

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understand what was your journey
with mental health, in

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particular, because I had seen a
couple tweets that you would put

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out there.
You would mention that you would

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been raised by somebody who had
suffered from mental illness.

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I was just curious.
Like, if that inform your

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journey at all seeing what they
had gone through and maybe

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trying to help them, it does.
And my father, is the one that

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has a, you know, some form of
depression.

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I don't know.
It's not part of anything that

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they've needed to share with my
mom and dad.

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They're the most open people and
the most, like, well, aware of

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their emotions especially now,
having two kids, I've watched my

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dad cry more than I ever did.
First time it ever happened.

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I was like, whoa.
You're supposed to be a rock

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dude, like what?
Okay, you're a human now that

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was like 10 11, this wasn't in
the script, it wasn't in the

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script but I still remember it.
Like that was the last time and

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I've cried since, but I mean
that was like Middle School,

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probably, for me.
And it was a moment when it was

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my mom's oldest sister.
It's been 15, 20 years now since

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she passed away from breast
cancer and he couldn't come to

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visit her, you know, in her last
days.

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But my brother and I was five
years younger than me, and I

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remember him being on the phone,
And I never thought that he was

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like emotionless.
He's never been that.

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Never an extreme of you any side
though and I remembered hearing

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him on the phone, basically
apologizing to my uncle that he

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couldn't be there and I'm like
if I could see you you're

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balling right now letting him.
Okay and I'd somewhere in me it

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was like okay I'm the oldest son
like I need to also be strong to

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like you are so was until many
years later that as he, you

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know, lost his job.
And you know, watched my parents

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kind of deal with everything we
knew something was there.

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But you know, And completely
shut off, but he wasn't

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necessarily himself either.
But I remember my mom one night.

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Like, I mean, my dad always went
to bed, early worked in Wall

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Street, and like, always stocks
and bonds.

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So we got up early, but it was
like he was going to bed a lot

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earlier and my mom, here's where
the Epiphany story of like,

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where the names come in for
everything.

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I remember her telling me that
it was the only time that his

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mind shut off is when he went to
bed and he was thinking and he

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was worrying.
And he was stressed because he

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went from being the guy that
supported everybody to not able

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to and that nobody blamed him.
Nobody said, That they have like

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my mom like brother and I know,
buddy, his days were filled with

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what should have been the
daylight hours and bright and

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shiny, and sunny and
functioning, and they weren't

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they were dark, and his Knights
were bright because if you can

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go to bed, none of that is going
on necessarily, right?

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It's still there, but you're
asleep if so night was kind of

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like his oases and I was always
right.

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And so inadvertently, I mean
years and years years later, as

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I'm just kind of walking around.
Going to run.

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I think the phrase is popped
into my head, Dark Days, bright

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nights, and that one was well
before all this, but I was like,

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you know, I'm gonna do something
with that time and might still

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be, I'm gonna write a book
entitled that if you really

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think about it, anybody any
version of suffering from any of

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the Milton illness or having to
struggles in general, it's true

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for everybody, right?
You don't want to be awake

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because the anxiety of paying
your bills because you lost your

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job.
Is there, you fall asleep,

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right?
And that's where the Snowballs

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and other things, right?
So, So seeing that is something

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that kind of informs me.
I don't have any traumatic

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moment that you think about but
but kind of informed but I do.

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But I'm a firm believer that
there's a there's a higher power

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for all of us heard whatever you
want to call that.

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My case, I believe in the power
of the universe, that there's

449
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,900
some kind of bigger form
granting us, the opportunities

450
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:53,200
and smacking Us in the face when
we need it.

451
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,900
And yep, I believe that the
Universe smacks you in the face

452
00:20:56,900 --> 00:21:00,200
hard just once and you have
Choices.

453
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,900
You either go gay.
That sucked and you're right,

454
00:21:03,900 --> 00:21:06,200
I'm going to find a different
path because this is not the

455
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,900
path that I need to lie down or
you just look at it.

456
00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:11,000
Like okay.
Well that was just an

457
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,400
unfortunate Road bump, I don't
care what you're trying to tell

458
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,200
me, I'm going to keep going down
this path and that's not

459
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,700
course-corrected.
You know that you're going to

460
00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:20,400
have these moments where it's
like something happened,

461
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,300
something challenging happens,
something tough something out of

462
00:21:23,308 --> 00:21:26,100
the ordinary, whatever you want
to call it, because you are

463
00:21:26,108 --> 00:21:28,800
version of a traumatic moment is
going to be different from mine,

464
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,000
but it does don't make it any
less valid, but I believe that

465
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,500
there's a power somewhere that's
writing it all together for you.

466
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,300
You just need to make sure that
you're listening to the lessons.

467
00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:42,400
You learn from your mistakes but
some people read that and go.

468
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,200
Okay?
Yeah.

469
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,500
Don't stick my finger in a light
socket again, or you look at and

470
00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:49,000
go put your hand on the stove
for Rice, right?

471
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,800
It's some people, look at it as
something very simple and don't

472
00:21:51,900 --> 00:21:55,300
remember that, there's probably
a bigger lesson than just that

473
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,200
that you know, you shouldn't
just go around poking.

474
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,900
Anything that Unsafe for you,
right?

475
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:02,700
It's not just like sockets, you
know.

476
00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:06,400
So that I think I'd probably die
on that pedestal that.

477
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,500
Yeah, that is that happening for
everybody.

478
00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:12,400
Whether you know it already has
happened and need to think about

479
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,700
it again or it's coming.
Let me ask you JD what's been

480
00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:19,300
your experience in terms of
what's help you to manage your

481
00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,200
health?
Because obviously you're very in

482
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,000
tune with the brain-body
connection, you know, being very

483
00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:27,600
well versed in exercise
methodologies and training and

484
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,800
nutrition and things.
But have you gone to a therapist

485
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,800
extensively or have?
You been very mindful about what

486
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,800
you put in your body?
The whole garbage in garbage

487
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,400
out.
Model is how I think relatively

488
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,800
calm looking all the time.
Yeah.

489
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,100
How you station shaping how you
manage to be the picture of?

490
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:49,200
Yeah, no far from it and I think
that's probably part of it,

491
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,300
right.
I just knew body-wise.

492
00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:54,500
I think I've always been the
worst critics for myself.

493
00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:56,900
Probably less of one now because
you realize like a, you don't

494
00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:59,800
have time to just be upset
because, you know, you can Troll

495
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,200
your crazy hair or you know, you
broke out because you didn't

496
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,300
sleep, like, you have two little
ones, but right, I think I've

497
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,800
always just been very, very
honest and very realistic with

498
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,500
everything.
We've certainly tried my wife

499
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:15,500
and I we were very Avid Runners
but it was just the two of us

500
00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:18,100
eventually, get back there.
But new tried immersion the

501
00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:21,500
plant base and things like that,
but you kind of have to step

502
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:23,900
back sometimes ago, can I
physically do that?

503
00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:26,600
Can I mentally do that?
Can I financially do all those

504
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,600
things but the same time is it
also causes When you to not

505
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,100
enjoy all every bit of life, I
always tell people that it was

506
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:36,900
clients to that.
I'm not giving you a diet plan

507
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,000
because it's not fair it
necessary to your life.

508
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,200
It might be completely more
stressing for me to tell you

509
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,500
that you need to cut out
everything orange and only, you

510
00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:47,900
know, to tomatoes for breakfast
for the next month for this to

511
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:50,000
work that.
You might cause you way more

512
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,100
stress than you needed plus.
What if I eliminated the fact

513
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:56,000
that you know, when you go out
to eat with clients or like

514
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,700
maybe you have a weekend date
with your spouse and You have a

515
00:24:00,708 --> 00:24:03,000
cheesecake and now I'm telling
you because you're counting

516
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,700
calories that, you can't have
that cheesecake.

517
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:07,400
Like that's not fair.
You know, those eating programs

518
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,600
can be the most destructive High
struggle with stress eating a

519
00:24:10,608 --> 00:24:13,900
lot to you know, and I've tried
a bunch of different approaches

520
00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:16,100
like one of them, I don't know
if you've looked into like,

521
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:18,400
inner child therapy, but that's
a big part of.

522
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,200
It is just that when you are
grabbing that Snickers bar or

523
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,800
when you're grabbing that bag
of, I don't know why.

524
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,200
I'm obsessed with Funyuns today.
But back, it's that inner child.

525
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,100
That's Rebelling, you know, at
that was always told you can't

526
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:35,900
do this, or you can't do that
and they're trying to keep

527
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,300
control.
So, I actually did try one of

528
00:24:38,308 --> 00:24:41,400
those Overeaters Anonymous
groups that we was probably the

529
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,900
worst thing.
I would strongly discourage

530
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,600
anybody from ever trying that
because it all has to be in

531
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,700
moderation.
Like I said before, it's all

532
00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:53,700
part of like a hub-and-spoke,
you know, you just can't like,

533
00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:57,200
Let One sort of get bent out of
whack, right?

534
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,100
And but it's going to get bent
out of whack and that's

535
00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:02,400
something.
Have to be aware of, you know, I

536
00:25:02,408 --> 00:25:05,800
mean, people that are like fully
into like the nutrition side of

537
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,600
it like and do that for a living
for people.

538
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,800
They'll tell you that to that,
if you're cutting out sugars or

539
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,100
they least they should be
telling you right?

540
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:16,000
For example, that if, you know,
it's holiday time and somebody

541
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,100
brought, you know, some kind of
cookie, or maybe there's like,

542
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:22,000
mints out somewhere.
And then now you go and have

543
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000
that item and then you like, oh
well, I'm a failure.

544
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:27,500
I am cooking.
I worst person in the world and

545
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,300
that's not fair to do.
And so that's why I was like,

546
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,900
Like I was having those kind of
conversations a lot, the bits

547
00:25:31,900 --> 00:25:34,000
that part would being so extreme
with it.

548
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,500
Sure, the thing is, I've worked
for me.

549
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:37,700
The most, is that?
Just being realistic.

550
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:40,300
Do I get down on myself because
I, you know, can't do the things

551
00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:42,800
that I was doing before, where
my life is.

552
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,000
Yeah.
And what do I do with that?

553
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,900
How do I fix that?
Or is it something that can be

554
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:48,900
fixed right now?
For look at parenting just as

555
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:50,900
the example, since that's the
most immediate thing in my life.

556
00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:53,900
That what I realized with our
son, very early on and hours,

557
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,500
you have to kind of really
rethink, is all those people

558
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,700
that were telling you, you must
not get enough sleep.

559
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,700
You have a kid now, Those people
were the ones that were still

560
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:04,500
trying to do all the things they
were doing before I kid.

561
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:08,600
Now, in some things you can, but
if you really prioritize your

562
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,100
health and life, if your kid is
going down at this time and you

563
00:26:12,108 --> 00:26:14,100
know, that they're probably
going to be up at this time

564
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:17,400
because they're three months old
and still very hungry and not

565
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,300
sleeping.
Well you might want to go to

566
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:21,700
sleep right now versus having
that beer and binging that new

567
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:25,000
show that can wait for a long.
You know it's those things and

568
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,500
so I'm very realistic with the
fact that man I really just want

569
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:31,700
to pause and sit, right.
Right now and watch a show or

570
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:34,700
play a game or something.
I should probably just finish my

571
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:36,700
tea and lay in bed and read a
book.

572
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:38,900
I'm tired.
And yeah, those are the kind of

573
00:26:38,908 --> 00:26:42,200
things that I wasn't great about
before I was just telling my

574
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,200
wife like a dinner yesterday and
I'm like, I only get to go to

575
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,700
the gym, two days out of the
week.

576
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,100
And I had to do everything else
that I need to get done in a day

577
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:53,900
on those two days.
So I don't rush, I don't fly,

578
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:58,000
but I'm in and out in like 20,
30 minutes and I have to split

579
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,200
up.
What I'm working.

580
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,000
I'm Never felt better walking
out of there.

581
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,500
And the first day I did that
when we finally started like

582
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:07,100
when we got to a point that you
know, my son was going somewhere

583
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:09,200
else, I could balance that back
in like having the gym.

584
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:12,000
I remember walking out of there
and going what in the world was

585
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,200
I doing for an hour five days?
Sometimes six days a week

586
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,600
because we were just, you know,
on the weekend.

587
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,500
We do that for like an hour.
Yeah there's one thing I could

588
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:21,100
go back and tell my younger
self.

589
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,400
It was like it would be that
like I feel like I almost wasted

590
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,000
my time that's me though.
But what could I have done

591
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,400
differently?
Because I'm not going to win.

592
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,300
Mr. Universe contest.
But am I going to feel good?

593
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:36,100
Am I going to walk out and be
like yeah, what's next today?

594
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,200
That's what I should have aimed
for the whole time but that's

595
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,400
something that they don't tell
you necessarily as a personal

596
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,500
trainer, they have that goal
that they want you to get too,

597
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,300
but they don't tell you that
your body might not ever be that

598
00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:50,400
it may be healthy but you may be
180 pounds and never have six

599
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,000
pack and barely look like you
have muscles.

600
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,100
But when it came time to pick up
your kid from saving them from

601
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,100
the sheer death, maybe you had
the strength to pick them up and

602
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:01,000
walk.
You know, that all about

603
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,700
perspective, right?
So those are the kind of things

604
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:06,100
that have always helped me, and
if I look back year after year

605
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:09,000
after year, no matter what age I
was, those are the tools that

606
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,200
work for me, you know.
Are you still doing anything

607
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,700
with like yoga or meditation?
Because I saw that on your

608
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,600
website, you have some
educational materials about that

609
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,200
wasn't sure if that was had two,
lovely just five dollar ebooks.

610
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,600
That basically came from me, not
liking either one of those

611
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,000
things.
Okay.

612
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:29,200
Again, probably just the way
they were introduced because

613
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,100
much It's like anything else
when it comes to mental health

614
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:36,100
or physical health, you know, we
have this like you need to do it

615
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:37,800
for this.
And this is how it works.

616
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,000
And this is how it's going to
fix.

617
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:41,400
And that might work for some
people.

618
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,100
They may have that mindset.
That's like, okay, got it, let's

619
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:46,200
do it.
And then, nine times out of ten

620
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,300
though, you're not that person
and I'm not that person.

621
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,800
I do know that doing these
things, even just a small.

622
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,800
So I start my day with a certain
amount of stretches.

623
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,700
I feel much better.
I end my day just laying in bed

624
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:58,800
before.
I, you know, turn the lights off

625
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,800
after I've read.
And just a a journal that's part

626
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,000
of my meditation before I even
begin to read or do anything

627
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,200
else.
But lights are off, I'm laying

628
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,200
down and I'm closing my eyes
thinking about everything, just

629
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,200
letting those thoughts happen.
Those are two things that they

630
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,900
would tell you not to do
necessarily.

631
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,900
Hey you should be laying down.
Be you know, you shouldn't be

632
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:20,100
thinking about all those things.
So I was like, you know what,

633
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:22,300
maybe that's why it's not
sticking for a lot of people

634
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:25,700
because they told you need to do
this, like stream Power, Yoga

635
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:28,500
sessions with like two hours
worth of like, you know,

636
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,600
meditation Completely quiet and
you're stressed out.

637
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,700
You're like, I don't have that
like, well, it's interesting

638
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:37,600
because I, there's one school of
thought that I'm really into a

639
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,500
company called Mindvalley.
And they actually talk about

640
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,100
meditation, there's different
types of meditation.

641
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:45,500
There's the type you talked
about where it's very

642
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:49,600
contemplative and clearing your
mind and that can be tough.

643
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,400
Because, like you said, I mean,
especially when you have a one

644
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,400
month old and you have hate you,
no bills to pay, it can be

645
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,600
challenging, but there is
something that's actually

646
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600
interesting words.
Like, actually, Meditation where

647
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,000
you're getting into different
frequencies of thought, like,

648
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,600
Alpha and Theta and Delta,
that's actually, something that

649
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,700
I've been exploring world.
Lately is not just quieting the

650
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:13,400
mind, but harnessing, and
tapping into higher levels of

651
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,500
reasoning and higher levels of
intuition.

652
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,100
It's pretty powerful so that
might have been might resonate

653
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:19,400
with you.
Like, I'm a big believer in

654
00:30:19,408 --> 00:30:22,400
meditation, like, I know it's
not for everybody, and it's

655
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,200
funny because my wife, and I are
trying to find the fine line

656
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,700
between getting our kids to get
into it and having it backfired

657
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:31,100
by cramming.
Italian throat because when

658
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:35,000
they're young as your learning,
that is the best time to get

659
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,800
them to adopt certain practices.
However, if you're too forceful

660
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,100
or dogmatic about it, it can
really backfire.

661
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:42,800
You know, that's the last thing
they want to do.

662
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,100
Nothing frustrates me more.
When it comes to hearing people

663
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:49,000
talk about mental illness, then
having them have like six steps

664
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,400
that's going to cure your
anxiety.

665
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,900
I'm like, no, no.
You already set them on the

666
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:54,900
wrong path.
That now they've got this

667
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,300
unrealistic goal that it's going
to go away and it's not, I mean,

668
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:01,400
Don't have anything that's super
stresses me out.

669
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,700
Like being somebody's
responsible for every bit of

670
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:06,700
their income is nothing that I
would have signed up for.

671
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:10,200
It's a lot of stress, I can have
the most perfect day ever.

672
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:12,800
I'll put my head on the pillow
and all of a sudden like my

673
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,200
chest is really tight and I can
give you no explanation why that

674
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,100
happened my body, just react
like that.

675
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:21,100
And so it's that, you know, you
can't predict, I wish you can't

676
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:23,900
predict what's going to happen.
So you can't tell somebody like

677
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:26,400
when you get anxious.
Here's what's going to fix it.

678
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,200
You know from that's a pill to a
meditation to The Mantra.

679
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,400
It's just not because you don't
know what's going to knock you

680
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,000
on your butt.
You just have to be paying

681
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,900
attention to.
I mean you put things in your

682
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,100
toolkit and you calibrate as
needed, right?

683
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,400
You just think it's the whole
course, correction things.

684
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,500
You talked about exactly.
I've Loved this conversation and

685
00:31:44,508 --> 00:31:48,300
you have so many great insights
and, you know we could go on for

686
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:51,300
hours but I want to leave out
the little ones during the day

687
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:53,400
and my wife hears me but she's
halfway asleep.

688
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,200
You know, by the time we
actually get to talk to each

689
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,000
other.
Yeah we'll have to have your

690
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,300
little ones on for the best, I
guess.

691
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,500
Appearances.
I want to make sure that people

692
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:04,600
who are listening, you know, if
they want to hear more about

693
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,200
your get in touch with you, what
is the best way that people can

694
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,000
get ahold of you?
I look like when you said that

695
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,200
in the beginning, I'm like I do
have a lot of things in the

696
00:32:11,208 --> 00:32:13,300
fire.
I'm also the kind of person

697
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:16,500
that's quickly, like, this is
out of control for me, like, I

698
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,600
feel like I'm doing everything
and nothing part of my

699
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,500
rethinking was like, how do I
make this everywhere?

700
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,900
What's your handle on Twitter,
on Twitter?

701
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:29,300
I'm JD the Jedi JD underscore
the Jedi and everything is under

702
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,000
There, whether people signed up
for wanting to hear parenting

703
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,800
stuff and the chaos that goes
along here or something mental

704
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,100
health-related, I do have one.
All-encompassing for the

705
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:43,600
podcast, I have a network that I
began here to kind of slowly but

706
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,700
surely kind of gather all mental
health podcast as best I can

707
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:48,700
from various conversations.
Because as you mentioned, we all

708
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:50,000
have something different to
share.

709
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,200
That's not today Network.
So not today, media is what it's

710
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,500
called so I have both not today
media so it's not today.

711
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,700
Media is what it's called but
it's housing.

712
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:01,900
Both my Cast in one other at the
moment but I'm currently it's

713
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,000
kind of my media end of
everything to gather those

714
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,500
conversations from storytelling
ones.

715
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,400
Like you know, we have two
documentaries, the short ones,

716
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,000
you know, whatever the case may
be, but the kind of people can

717
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,600
find in one spot.
But nonetheless, JD underscore

718
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,900
the Jedi on just Twitter if you
really want to see kid pictures

719
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:22,200
all the time, it's the same name
on Instagram but I assure you.

720
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,800
If you don't like kids or you
don't like seeing you and I

721
00:33:24,808 --> 00:33:26,500
think you've got some good
videos on there, too.

722
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:29,100
If I recall correctly, I do.
I mean, I put them in every once

723
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:30,700
in a while.
While I leave Twitter to just

724
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:32,600
being kind of, I don't want to
say professional.

725
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,500
But yeah, no, I think you should
personal side of me on that.

726
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:38,500
Yeah, I know your Twitter
account is great.

727
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:41,300
I always equate Twitter to like
a cocktail party and it's always

728
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:44,100
interesting to see as long as
you're not obnoxious about it.

729
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:47,700
In my mom, someone's drink over,
but it's always just amazing to

730
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:49,400
see the connections that Sprout
up from me.

731
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,400
I like it.
I mean, I, you can tell I love

732
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,000
to talk, and I like to write and
Instagram was not that for me, I

733
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,400
love pictures.
I'm the one who takes pictures

734
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,700
here in this family.
Yeah, I think Twitter is the

735
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:02,600
unsung hero of social media
person.

736
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,400
Is it, is if you like to do
LinkedIn, LinkedIn is to

737
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,500
promotional.
Facebook is just a hot mess of

738
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:10,500
political of God.
That's been long gone for that

739
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,400
reason.
Yeah, Instagram.

740
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,600
Yeah, like you said, I just am
not an Andy Warhol.

741
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,500
I'm not an artist.
I'm not a visual guy, so I love

742
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:21,199
Twitter, it's simple, it's easy
and it's succinct job to find

743
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,400
that works for you.
Is there anything else you want

744
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,300
to say?
Just inclusion than JD, just

745
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,199
been great?
Like I said, I mean anything and

746
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,800
everything you want to get.
Volved with me of houses, all

747
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,900
under Dark Days, bright nights
dot-org.

748
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:36,100
That's everything from
subscribing to the newsletter,

749
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:39,500
which also, I have open
discussions twice a week of, you

750
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:42,000
know, some kind of question to
help you deep dive and very open

751
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,500
discussions.
Sometimes I'm live on them to

752
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:47,300
help you talk, but there's
everything from being on the

753
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:50,900
podcast, you know, share your
story or asking me a question to

754
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:54,600
have it answered on a podcast to
signing up for one-on-one

755
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,199
services.
With me, I'm always happy to

756
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:57,800
support.
Okay, thank you, thank you for

757
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,200
letting me be here.
No.

758
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,200
Thanks so much for joining.
It was great talking to you.

759
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,200
Thanks so much for listening and
I hope you enjoyed that episode

760
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:07,400
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761
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,100
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762
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,200
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763
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764
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,800
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765
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766
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:24,900
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767
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:28,000
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