48: Jonaed Iqbal: Founder of NoDegree.com; Untethering from the Template South Asian "Doctor / Engineer / Failure" Career Menu

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As a South Asian, I thought
there were only three career

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choices, doctor engineer or
failure, and then I have to go

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to a top-ranked University.
Are you telling me, there are

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other options, what's it like to
interview, MMA champion,

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Demetrious, Johnson, scribe,
media, CEO, Javon McCormick, and

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other notable folks without a
college degree and what can they

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teach us?
How can I leverage?

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LinkedIn?
And Twitter to 10x my career

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advancement strategy and this
guy started a site called.

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No degree.com.
Is he Completely anti-education,

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stay tuned.
As we touch on these and many

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other topics on this week's
episode of untether your life.

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Welcome to untether your life, a
show that empowers you to own

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your own health Break Free of
templates for managing physical

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and mental wellness and looks at
Key issues, impacting the South

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Asian diaspora.
I am your host nikhil torso car

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and I'm passionate about the
power of conversation to

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catalyze change.
One of the main objectives of

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untether.
Your life has to shine a light

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on members of the South Asian
diaspora, who have broken free

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of The Limited quote.
Doctor engineer failure menu of

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career options, in which one
self-worth is dictated.

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By the US News and World Report
ranking of their undergrad or

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graduate alma mater.
As such.

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I was delighted a cross paths
with genetic ball.

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Today's guest tonight is a you
map, certified career coach who

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has helped hundreds of
candidates, land jobs interviews

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and promotions at Amazon Google,
Microsoft meta, Spotify, and

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other top firms Janai.
It is set on shattering the

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stigma associated with hiring
people without College degrees.

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It's no surprise that he founded
no degree.com a platform with

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job listings that don't require
college degrees and no to answer

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the question in the intro, he is
not anti-education.

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In fact, he holds a master's
degree in Actuarial science from

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Columbia University and his
bachelor's at Queens College.

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He spent some time working in
corporate and works with many

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candidates possessing college
degrees.

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He just understands that the
college route isn't for

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everyone, regardless of academic
background.

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Everyone has something to offer
and deserves meaning.

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We'll work, especially since a
degree isn't always an accurate

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representation of a person or
their intelligence.

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So whether you have a degree or
not Jenai, it can help.

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And with that, let's get
untethered.

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Before we start, I would love if
you could, just tell us a little

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bit more about your background.
We just got.

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Yeah.
So I'll tell you, I'm the

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founder of no degree.com which
is a career platform for those

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without college degrees.
I'm the host of no degree

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podcast where I interview people
about college reviews and have

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them share their stories.
I started no degree.com because

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I saw that there was a lot of
opportunity for those without

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college degrees, but there
wasn't a lot of awareness or

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education like, people don't
realize, how do you become a

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welder?
How do you become plumber?

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How do you become an
electrician?

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How do you work?
And sales,how.

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Do you become a developer?
How do you do all these careers

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that you can get without a
college degree?

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And how do you move up in them?
And there's so many interesting

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jobs.
I know people, you know, who are

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making like a million dollars,
working jobs, not even like,

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businesses working jobs because
they're in sales, they moved up

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in their careers and they made
the Right Moves and a networked

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and they demonstrated their
skills without college degrees.

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Now, the funny thing is, I come
from that Southeast Asian

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background.
I was born in Bangladesh.

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I came to New York City.
When I was Three and I grew up

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with school school school.
You know, that's the most

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important study obey read.
And the fact is, even if my

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parents weren't like that, I
would still read.

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I was still like a reader,
right?

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And that's something I enjoy
doing.

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And, you know, I did good
grades.

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I want the specialized high
school in New York Bronk science

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science, right?
Yeah.

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So it's like a top 20 30 High
School in New York City.

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And I didn't like the culture of
that school because it was like,

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oh my God, you went to Community
College or a failure.

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Oh my God, you didn't take all
these AP classes.

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Your life is yours.
No versions of what it means to

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be a.
Yeah, that's right.

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And then you grew up with
parents were like, oh my God,

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like ice to get good grades and
it was like, oh, you got a 94?

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All this guy 96, you got a 98.
Oh, this kid got 100, you got

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100?
Oh, why don't you do some extra

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credit to do?
It's like, why that's just dumb?

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I got 100, like, after certain
point to diminishing returns,

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like, look, try to do well as
well as you can't.

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After certain point, it just
takes way too much effort.

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You know, just like, hey to get
in shape versus to get an

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extreme Elite shape, right?
It's a whole difference, right?

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One takes, maybe like three
hours, five hours a week, right?

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Working out.
And the other thing could take

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15 hours of like a 20 hours of
the dedicated routine and crazy

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discipline.
Like it's interesting because

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the Bronx Science like is it
mostly kids who are on

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scholarship?
Well, it's obviously it's

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different.
No, no, there's no scholarship

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so you have to test into the
school so it's a public school

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but you have to test in.
So there are a couple schools

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that you test in Stuyvesant has
the highest scores.

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Dennis Bronx, Science, Center's,
Brooklyn, Tech and some others

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they can change over a year.
So Even if you are rich, you

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can't get in unless you passed
the test.

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So, whatever.
I got high enough and they were

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kids who didn't really good in
grades who studied, but they

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just could not pass the test or
whatever, get the appropriate

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grade.
So it was like that and the

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culture was just like you had a
whole mix, right?

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But overall, it was a culture of
like, you got to go to this

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school.
So they worship to put, they

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worship these people and it's
just sad where it's like if you

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were, you know, going for a job
that doesn't necessarily pay as

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well or you choose a different
career.

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And they had so many
misconceptions, oh you're a

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plumber or Whatever.
And I do plumbers, making a

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million dollars a year.
So it's like who are you to

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judge?
You know, just because you're an

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analyst at some big company that
over works you and all that.

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So I just didn't like the
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I was part of the wrestling
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That was my favorite part of
bronc signs and that's all I

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cared about.
And that's where I learned the

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most.
I learned way more from

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wrestling than I ever did for
many of the classes and the

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teachers are assholes because
they would give like three four

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hours a day of homework and it's
like, dude, I'm traveling 90

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minutes on the train.
I get out of wrestling practice

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637.
I'm getting home like at 98 39

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and then you have four hours.
I sleep like four or five hours.

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It like ruined my burger.
Yeah, and teachers, they're just

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jerks.
And then they started giving

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detentions if you were late to
class, so the subway could be

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late and you're like two minutes
late, three tight lateness is

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detention.
If you get detention, you can't

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go to practice.
It's like all these things.

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It was like a prison.
It was the worst time of my

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life, right?
So going into college, you went

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to Queens College, as I went to
Queens College as undergrad and

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As grad, let me, tell colleagues
of Breeze like a breeze, like I

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got like a 3.8 GPA and like, I
Ace my classes like, it was so

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much easier because I was
actually getting sleep, like,

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right?
It's amazing.

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The restorative power of sleep.
I mean, it's something that it's

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so messed up in our culture,
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It's just like sleep
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I mean that's kind of seen as a
badge of honor it on it as I was

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telling you before.
I mean, our podcast is all about

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mental health and people
neglect, all this stuff they go.

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Go into working out like crazy.
They go into like all these

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supplements and stuff and they
neglect things like sleep.

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And you can obviously attest to
the fact that that's it's

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terrible for you.
Yeah, just curious, I had.

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So obviously you've got no
degree right now and I think

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it's an amazing message, you've
got, and it's very valuable.

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What was your perspective on
career?

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And as we talk about the
template or definition of

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success in college, walk me
through a little bit about that

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because I know as South Asians
In New York City.

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I'm sure it's a very competitive
environment.

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So look for my definition of
success, I have high standards

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for myself, but my standards are
not Society standards.

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Like sure.
For me, it's like when I was

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resting, I was captain of the
team, but I was like, I want to

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be the best because I love the
sport and that was something I

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truly enjoyed.
So for me, I hold a high

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standard for me and that because
I enjoy it, but for me, success

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wasn't necessarily the title and
all that.

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I would just like, yo, I want to
make some money and I want to

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save it and I want to invest it,
and I want to have freedom.

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That was my definition of
success.

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I never subscribed to my parents
thing.

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I just ignored it.
Like I don't, listen to my

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parents advice, I guess like
doctor and I was like, you know,

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I don't want to do that.
That's not me.

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That's not my personality and
I'm so glad because had I become

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a doctor, I would be stuck and
not that we don't need doctors

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and all that.
But so many doctors and so many

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people in dentistry and all
these things, they do it because

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of the parents, there's not
passion for the career.

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It's not because they want to
help people, right?

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That's because they like the
status.

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Yes, they provide a value to
society but they do it just

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because like any other person
does the job, right?

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And so, Yeah.
So that was my thing.

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I thought an action was a good
career was like look, I liked it

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because you pass exams and did
all that.

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But then I realized I'm like not
a corporate person.

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And even now that I have a job,
just because of whole life

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scenario, I work for blockchain
company, so super flexible like

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they don't mind that I podcast
in the middle of day, they like

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support the podcast was like a
corporate wouldn't do that.

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So I tell people doesn't matter
what your definition of success

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is you follow, if you believe
being a doctor and but you like

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that status, good for you, but
don't push.

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Other people towards that
definition of success.

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Let other people have their own
definition of success because we

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need people to finding success
in different ways.

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And the other thing is there are
some things I subscribe to.

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I'm very competitive and other
things I'm not and it's okay.

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You need people to have
different passions and different

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ideas.
Yeah, absolutely.

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So, tell me a little bit more
about like the Genesis of the

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origin of no degree.
So I was on ready, April, 2014.

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Someone asked for those of you
without a college degree, who

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make over six figures, what do
You and how do you get the job?

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I was reading the answers is
like, I'm a claims adjuster, I'm

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a plumber, I'm an elevator
repairman, I'm a surveyor.

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And I was thinking, like, no one
grows up and says, I won't be a

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surveyor.
No one grows up and says, I want

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to be a claims adjuster and all
the answers was, how did you get

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the job?
Oh my uncle, my cousin, my

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neighbor, my friend, it was.
All right, place?

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Right time.
So, I was like, what?

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If you don't have that Uncle
cousin or neighbor, what do you

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do?
And I was like, you're stuck and

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I was like, why can't I be the
uncle cousin?

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Her friend.
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there are so many hard-working
people who work in retail, like

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a Dunkin Donuts like a Best Buy
all these things who have a lot

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of capability but they're stuck.
They know how to work.

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They don't have people guiding
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So I was like, why can't I be
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Then, you know, I bought the
domain name node review.com, it

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was like 1,400 bucks.
Mmm, and it was just a bunch of

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years of research and just
growing as a person and I quit

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my job in 2018 for years
full-time, entrepreneur.

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Now I got a job again, just
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Life happens but you know it's
going to work out so I'm happy

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but it's a long road man, this
long?

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Yeah, yeah, I saw that you made
like the, what is it?

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The top 100 LinkedIn, career has
welcomed 200 to get 200.

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So I was 145, but I could make
the top ones.

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I've been slacking on LinkedIn,
the last year, so I'm going to

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try to make the top hundred.
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I mean it's true, if people see
like there's always that image

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of the iceberg, right?
When they see like the summit or

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the peak of the mountain and
then they don't see the

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foundation and all the struggle
in the hardship that that went

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to it, right?
And it sounds like that's

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something that you're pretty
familiar with.

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I mean, sort of having it sounds
like no degree is gone in a lot

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of directions.
The podcast is kind of how I

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came to know.
You actually I think we had

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connected because we had some
common connections on LinkedIn

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and then close interesting with
you is you were had a pretty

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good credibility in a pretty
good brand on LinkedIn and then

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you decided to try to boost your
brand on Twitter and it sounds

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like that that's gone pretty
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Tell me you're like views on
like social media in terms of

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like, How it has shaped the
business like in terms of how

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you're advising clients on how
to leverage it and what your

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journey with social media has
been I got on LinkedIn in

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February, 19.
I know Gary Vee said it

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somewhere.
I learned that the organic reach

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is high and then I was answering
questions on Korra before I was

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on Instagram before that.
So I was like you know what

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forget Instagram let me go on
LinkedIn.

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Instagram.
I'm competing with girls with

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big pots and celebrities a
Trappers and athletes, and I was

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like LinkedIn, I'm competing
with the kalends.

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I was like, I can be The camera,
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And then I was like, LinkedIn is
a more career based social media

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platform and it's perfect for no
degree.com.

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What I started with was I see to
100 comments a day on LinkedIn.

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Oh, wow, anybody who wants to go
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Well, not any platform but
LinkedIn Twitter start with even

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30 to 50 a day like people want
to grow, but they don't want to

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put in the work because I love
building others.

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So I'll do 100 comments day, and
not even post content for

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months.
I would comment, comment,

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comment, people knew me just
off.

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Headline and they saw that, I
was part of God.

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And even now I still do comments
you know right.

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Just not at as have rate.
And then even when I was growing

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on Twitter, 50 to 100 comments,
I'm talk about supporting

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others.
Sure.

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Now, I toned it down but how I
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learned, the language of the
platform what are people looking

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for?
And I don't go for hacks.

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Like they're easy hacks to grow
right on LinkedIn.

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You could post crappy quotes
that don't have much substance

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like be kind to everybody,
right?

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You can grow.
But my thing is He's just like I

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want to grow because people like
you know this guy is actually

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giving good Insight.
Like I'm learning something from

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him.
This is something I didn't think

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about or wow.
I've had this thought but I

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didn't put it into words, June.
I had put into words and you

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know actionable advice.
I don't want to get fluff advice

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like the feel-good color you
want to be authentic to?

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Yeah, I mean authentic and
valuable, right?

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So I want to share a real story.
Then you have to find your own

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voice.
Like, I found my own voice and

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I'm very comfortable with
myself, so, don't copy me.

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I Inspiration from others.
But I don't necessarily copied

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them.
I get an idea of like you.

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This is what I like and here's
how it's going to work for me.

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I don't like this part.
I like this part about them and

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then just testing what works.
And then really go and deep.

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I mean, I took 100 our course on
Facebook ads, that gave me some

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insights into algorithms and
then I try to find the right

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balance of like, how I can work
the algorithm but also create

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good content and deliver value
because there's ways to work the

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algorithm while gaming it, but I
tried to organically work to it

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in a way that I am.
Building a community because

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once you build a community, your
algorithm proof.

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True true.
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In terms of content creators,
you mentioned, Gary Vee.

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And you've definitely got a very
unique brand.

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But are there any content
creators that have inspired you

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or any messages that I think of
some sort of helped you and

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building out your brand?
Yes.

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So you know what?
I won't necessarily give a name

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because smaller content creators
inspire me.

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I'm not a big fan of large ones
with teams and all that because

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a lot of times they have Very
superficial gaming like, hey,

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look how I'm amazing and it's
not taking my master class.

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Yeah, a lot of his virtue
signaling, like, I'm a great

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person blahblahblah.
So I'm a big fan of small

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content creators who are just
supportive.

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We're just sharing their voice,
who it's not about being as

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polish, but you're getting
actionable insights and that's

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why I like Twitter.
A little more.

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Twitter is like their content
creators would never survive on

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Twitter.
Because LinkedIn is like they

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found this Niche, but LinkedIn
is the best content creators

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aren't on there, right there.
On Twitter right there on Tick

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Tock there are these other
YouTube more competitive

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platform.
So I would say find your own

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voice, keep trying things, don't
be afraid experiment but find

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something that feels right for
you which of these has been your

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preferred platform if you have
one.

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Yeah, LinkedIn was the first
place.

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It's the home.
It's where I met.

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A lot of people, I will say, I
do like Twitter more in some

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aspects, but LinkedIn still
good, organic re still great

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people.
Well, LinkedIn, I mean, what

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kind of annoys me about LinkedIn
is it's kind of like, you know,

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they're trying to be more
authentic but it's almost like

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even the authenticity is
formulaic, you know?

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Like it's almost like every post
has that syntax like it's always

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got that shocker line than you
scroll down and there's always

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like and then you know I found
my voice and I yeah you know

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even though I fell down a
pothole and landed in the sewer

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this leprechaun save my life
stupid.

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Do you think we are?
But I'm with you.

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I mean, I love Twitter and I
think Twitter spaces.

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I think that's how you.
And I actually connected

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because, and I think I might
have said this on the space is,

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it's just like with Twitter, it
can get kind of inflammatory,

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you know, especially after the
last four years, you know, just

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the temperature is really gone
up, right?

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Where people's emotions are high
and they're tweeting, you know,

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political back-and-forth
searching it, kind of

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incendiary.
But I think Twitter spaces, I

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think it's great for people like
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I mean, I'm pretty introverted.
It's Thing, I'm introverted.

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But I enjoy public speaking.
No, no, it's interesting.

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Yeah, sorry to cut you off.
Yeah.

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A lot of introverts are great
public speaker because I'm going

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to tell you something.
So, this is a common

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misconception that people have
people think that introvert

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means.
You're not socially good, right?

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Which is not true.
You can have great social

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skills.
It's all it means is social

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situations.
Tend to drain your energy and

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drain your battery and you just
need time to yourself that.

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You need that time where you're
reading, where you're sitting on

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the couch and you doing all
that.

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That like trust me, I don't know
if you're in the mbti.

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Do you have like a Myers-Briggs
type?

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Yeah, you know, it's funny.
I tied with two like I had to

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even thing but I'm an ambivert
so I'm neither in Exeter good

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situational.
No, it's not even situation.

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It's so so, look introvert gains
energy by being alone, right?

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And social situations drains
their energy, an extrovert is

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the right.
They need the social situations.

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That's what they live for that
lives up that dream of.

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Yeah.
And beaver is like neither Don't

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need either.
So I don't need that recharge

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and I don't need the people.
So, the beauty is, is that I can

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talk to people all day without
being drained.

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And I do enjoy the other
situation, but it doesn't live

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in me up.
I'll tell you.

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I don't actually don't like loud
environments.

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Like I like talking to people, I
prefer smaller more intimate.

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How have you managed to be a
lifelong New Yorker, man?

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I mean, it's like, no.
But look, I'm the guy who brings

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people together like, yo, come
by my house.

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Let's watch this fight.
Let's do this.

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Let's do that.
So it's like I still enjoyed the

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thing, but I'm just not a
partier.

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I'm not just That like, hey,
let's go to a restaurant.

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Let's go like a bubble tea spot
as opposed to the club.

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Like I'm not a club guy.
I'm not like, let's go to a

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concert type person but I have
been to my first concert in New

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York, like, whatever which
concert was.

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I, yo, so this power networking.
Someone I met on LinkedIn, who I

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picked up from the airport.
He's like, yo, yo consoles like?

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Yeah, sure.
Well, who's the consi is like

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Nas and Wu-Tang?
I was like, yo, no way the

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concert and I see nozzle
Lieutenant.

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I was like, yo, that was like
you said, you'd never been to a

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concert.
Nah, nah, dude.

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A man, I haven't lived life,
man.

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I'm just like a grinder and Poor
and stuff like that.

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So yeah, nice and Wu-Tang.
Wow, I didn't know that Wu-Tang

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were still without they still
perform.

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It was like a New York State of
Mind or and Busta Rhymes with it

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was a good concert man.
Yeah, I was so scared.

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I gotta be in their 60s.
Now, Duda like 50s and don't

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like, yo, we could do this 30
years.

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I was like, yo, that's crazy.
And it was good.

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It was definitely like worth.
I'm glad I went.

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Yeah, you and I gotta talk
later, man.

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I'm all about the food chain and
now starts.

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I always loved it to link up
with fellow hip-hop.

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Definitely yeah definitely but I
wanted to step back because no

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degree podcast I mean is it
exclusively people who haven't

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gotten a degree and they've
managed to find Career Success

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or do you ever have people who
have degrees or is that the

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selection criteria, obviously?
Right now I keep the podcast,

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very specific.
I only have people without

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degrees who have found success.
Now I have had handful of people

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who have had degrees.
One guy wrote a book called The

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Twelve lives about college.
Another guy wrote another book,

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It's like, skip college for
success or something.

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I will make exceptions, right?
Like, if they have degree, I

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think The Rock has a degree, but
if I got the rocks on the

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podcast, I'm gonna have.
I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry Dwayne.
No, it's not, you know, we, we

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are so it's if I'm gonna bring
someone on and break the rule,

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it has to be that they have a
following that it's going to

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help grow the podcast.
It has to support a long-term

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because if once I start having
everyone it just becomes a

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general success podcast.
That's like so old and it's not

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specific so it's like I want it
to be more specific.

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Yeah, absolutely.
And that was the next thing I

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wanted to ask you about is like,
we launched this podcast and

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it's just been such an amazing
journey because the

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conversations, I have what I'm
learning the connections on

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forming the community.
It's like this Force multiplier,

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right?
Tell me more about sort of what

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podcasting is meant for you.
In terms of the journey, you

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started the podcast, what two
years ago, how long ya about

448
00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:19,400
what ringing man it's like,
hitting your like, ya know?

449
00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:26,000
What you've gotten out of it.
It's meant so much, man, because

450
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,800
I've met so many good people.
I interviewed stories, I love

451
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,300
podcasting.
I love being interviewed.

452
00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:35,200
I love talking to people.
I get so much insight into the

453
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,600
journeys.
Like, I'm always learning

454
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:37,900
something new, was funny people,
black hole?

455
00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:40,100
You're such an amazing host and
I'm like, dude, I asked the same

456
00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:42,900
questions on everybody is like,
maybe I'll change like one or

457
00:20:42,908 --> 00:20:46,100
two but a lot of it comes down
to like I'm interested in the

458
00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:47,500
story.
I'm interested in the guests.

459
00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:50,800
Like I don't even make money off
the podcast but it's like I was

460
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,100
still do it.
Like there's no way I'm

461
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,700
Stopping.
This is something I'm doing.

462
00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:56,200
I don't even know when I would
ever stop right.

463
00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:59,700
Mmm, and I interviewed amazing
people.

464
00:20:59,700 --> 00:21:02,100
Like I got to interview
Demetrius Johnson, he's one of

465
00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:04,600
the greatest fighters of all
time like top five Fighters.

466
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,800
He was the first flyweight
champion in UFC history.

467
00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:11,000
He set the record for title
defenses or some like that, and

468
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,500
I used to watch him in college,
man.

469
00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:14,600
Me and my friends used to watch
him and it's like yo I have his

470
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,500
number now, he texts me said, yo
come on my podcast and it's cool

471
00:21:18,500 --> 00:21:20,500
man.
It's like podcasting enabled

472
00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:23,000
that right?
Hey Sydney Be so many

473
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,400
opportunities and its really
opened me up because I had never

474
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,800
would have known.
I would have loved that.

475
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,400
It's like, one of those things.
Like, how do you find out you of

476
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,200
podcasting, right?
How do you find out?

477
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,700
You love interviewing people.
You say you just have to try it

478
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,100
and I'm like, 120 episodes, but
I'm still just getting started

479
00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:39,600
man.
So it's like, yeah, I have so

480
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,300
many feel like I want to get a
Nas.

481
00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,200
I want to get something from the
Wu-Tang Clan.

482
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,500
All right.
Mama.

483
00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:47,000
Yeah.
It's like I hope to get it to

484
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,800
one day where I have like a
studio New York City and I get

485
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,900
to interview these people and
have the video and have a

486
00:21:51,908 --> 00:21:53,400
chance.
Channel and it's like, I'm

487
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,000
making money off the podcast.
I could fly these people out and

488
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,400
all that, but I'm excited, man,
I get excited on podcasts,

489
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,300
absolutely man, totally lights
me up.

490
00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:04,000
Also, is there any one
particular guess?

491
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,800
I always say?
Like, when people say who's your

492
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,600
favorite guests?
It's kind of like asking a

493
00:22:07,608 --> 00:22:09,000
parent.
Like, who their favorite kick

494
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,200
his butt.
If you are hard pressed to say,

495
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,400
Hey, you know, this was a great
conversation that I got a lot

496
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,100
out of and that resonate with
the audience.

497
00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:19,300
Yeah, Demetrious Johnson because
I'm a big MMA fan.

498
00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,700
I'm an assistant wrestling coach
and all that.

499
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,300
So it's I see watch this guy, I
watched his rise I've seen him

500
00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:28,500
and you know, and this like yo
this is a guy watched him and

501
00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,000
you know the funny thing is he's
one of the greatest of all time

502
00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:34,900
in his area and he still humble
feel like treats me like I'm a

503
00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:39,300
friend like Ryan still treats me
like as if I'm his only fan kind

504
00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:41,900
of thing, it's just amazing and
then the other one was JT

505
00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:43,500
McCormick.
He was a CEO.

506
00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:48,100
He is a CEO of subscribe media.
He okay dad had like a lot of

507
00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:51,700
kids, it was like 13 kids, his
dad was a drug dealer and a

508
00:22:51,708 --> 00:22:54,300
pimp.
He grew up in a very hard life

509
00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,300
in the 70s half black half
white.

510
00:22:56,300 --> 00:23:00,600
And just like man, like he
learned how many days each month

511
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,400
had because they were on food
stamps and you do months or 31

512
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,000
days they'll be hungry at the
end of the month.

513
00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:08,500
So it was like he grew up a
tough man and it's just like

514
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,000
such a humbling story and it's
one of those books like I shed a

515
00:23:11,008 --> 00:23:13,400
tear when I read the ending.
Like it was like, wow.

516
00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:15,100
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.

517
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:17,100
That's incredible.
I mean, I totally agree.

518
00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:20,500
I mean, I have this Love/Hate
relationship with social media

519
00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:23,400
and Technology but I mean, this
is Prime example like I would

520
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,400
have never connected with you
unless I was at some South Asian

521
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,900
mixer and in New York City or
something.

522
00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:32,600
There's no way like you know, if
it wasn't for like a Twitter

523
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,600
space, I think it was.
Yeah, it was that we met but you

524
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,700
know, I think it is amazing.
I try to really look at what

525
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:43,200
it's doing for my network, just
in terms of the potential for

526
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,100
future collaboration.
Not just between me and the

527
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:49,400
people, but maybe it'll Inspire
other people to start their own

528
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,000
podcast or okay, tell their own
story, you know, Oh yeah, the

529
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,500
other thing about the podcast
that I love is as I'm growing

530
00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:58,800
more and I'm getting busy and
I'm charging more.

531
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,800
I know there are people who
can't afford my services, sure.

532
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,800
But I want to make sure that
they still have access to me in

533
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,900
some shape or forms, and people
ask me the same question.

534
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:10,300
How do I break in?
I'm working on an Exposé and

535
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:13,700
I'll be like, hey, go listen to
that episode and learn how he

536
00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:16,100
did it or learn how she did it,
learn how they did it.

537
00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:17,800
And that's fine.
Now they still getting the

538
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,900
advice.
Oh, I have an interview.

539
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:20,300
I'm like look I'm kind of book
tour.

540
00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:22,000
Just how much Arturo.
I can't afford that.

541
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,200
I was like, Hey, listen to a
third episode, how to prepare

542
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,300
for an interview so I'll still
give them resources and stuff

543
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:28,300
because again, my goal is to
help people.

544
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,300
Yes, I want to make money but I
don't want to do it at the

545
00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:33,300
expense of like forgetting about
people and be like, hey, I only

546
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:36,100
help your food make, you know,
you can pay me like thousand

547
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,400
bucks and it's like, no, I want
to make sure that because I was

548
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,800
that kid to write who only had,
you know, very little and who

549
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,900
didn't have that money, but do
they not deserve opportunity?

550
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:47,200
So I was like, I want to release
as much free resources for

551
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,700
people as I can.
Yeah.

552
00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:50,800
It's like I think you were
saying like your quality.

553
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,800
Like, you're like giving is your
Fuel right?

554
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,700
Yeah, it sounds like that's kind
of like a part of this whole

555
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:59,300
mission and everything and so
the podcast makes sense to me, I

556
00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:01,600
understand like, you know, the
guess you bring on and sort of

557
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,900
the overall message.
I want to understand a little

558
00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:07,100
bit more about the actual
company no degree because you

559
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:10,600
did mention the resume writing
service, but tell me a little

560
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,000
bit more about some of the
services that you provide your

561
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,300
clients, I'd love to.
So, I'm going to launch a resume

562
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:19,100
course because I've done so many
so that way people can do it

563
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:22,000
themselves because it's like 45
hours of content.

564
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,200
It really covers everything so
that you can really learn the

565
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,800
ins and outs and it has like
sample, resume sample, cover

566
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,900
letters sample, all these
things.

567
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:34,000
Now, the other thing is, we're
working on a trade school

568
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,400
learning education platform.
In that area is like, you'll

569
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,000
learn what are the trade
schools?

570
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,100
What do they have?
How much do they cost?

571
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:43,700
What do people think about them?
What are the accessibility

572
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:47,100
options and will have online,
courses will have boot camps,

573
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:49,100
because people are dropping so
much money on boot camps.

574
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:51,900
And I want to get people to look
at the other options before they

575
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:53,800
come Um it to it.
So that's one aspect.

576
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,400
Then the other thing is it has
job posting.

577
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,800
So if you don't have a degree,
check out the job postings.

578
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:00,500
And then just a lot of content
like what is a welder or how

579
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:03,100
much do they get paid?
How do you become a welder?

580
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,500
What do we overlap think about
the career, who is it?

581
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:07,800
Good for so we'll be like, hey
look if you don't like getting

582
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,300
physical, you don't like having
odd hours.

583
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:12,100
Don't be a welder, right?
If you're a plumber or you're

584
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:15,000
going to have to deal with shit,
sometimes like it's just how it

585
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,300
is.
Like, we don't want to say

586
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,000
rainbows because I've read books
and will recommend books and

587
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000
resources.
I've read books, one book was

588
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,300
about firefighter duties.
Twenty Pages.

589
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:25,900
It was just like, yes, being the
firefighters, a greatest thing

590
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,900
to Manatee nothing about
fighting fires.

591
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:30,200
Like, it was just like, you
know, it's just so amazing.

592
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,300
I was like, yo, this is not a
good resource.

593
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:34,600
Oh, that's a real thing.
And eventually, I want to just

594
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,500
pour in partnership with a
company like, hey, Google is

595
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:38,300
hiring 20 people without college
degrees.

596
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:41,100
Here's a program and all that.
Yeah, do you guys have like

597
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:45,900
assessments or tools to help
guide people like into a career

598
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,300
path that sort of aligns with
their souls and weaknesses?

599
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,600
I mean that's why I tell people,
listen to podcast will be really

600
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,400
talking about I tell what's
Tory's you resonate with what

601
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,700
stories don't you resonate with
that should give you an idea.

602
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,900
So I'm a you map certified
career coach day actually use

603
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:02,800
gallops strengthsfinder test and
they combine it with some other.

604
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:08,000
What was that?
You said they have a very good

605
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,100
thing and it combines with other
areas and then it'll give you

606
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:14,700
like a whole profile.
Like hey you like work with

607
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:18,600
people, you like collaboration,
you don't like organization and

608
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,400
for that profile was like the
single most important thing.

609
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,000
So, I will build out Services
related to that, so people get a

610
00:27:26,008 --> 00:27:27,300
better idea.
It's like, one of those things

611
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:29,700
that people don't value it, man.
They just think like, I just

612
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:32,400
know myself in the psyche, these
surprise like I wish I did these

613
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,700
things earlier saves you years
of your life to figure out

614
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:38,600
things.
Yeah I want to understand like I

615
00:27:38,608 --> 00:27:41,500
think I'd heard on a podcast.
You were talking about some of

616
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:43,500
the limitations of what job
boards are.

617
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,800
Like today.
Tell me a little bit more about

618
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,600
that because like it's been a
while since I've submitted my

619
00:27:48,608 --> 00:27:53,200
application but I'm thinking of
like, indeed or Or this monster

620
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,000
still around.
I don't.

621
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,700
Yeah it is.
It is.

622
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,800
What are some limitations you're
seeing with job posting sites?

623
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,000
These days, like the little like
the go later.

624
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,300
People with yeah.
Go to LinkedIn.

625
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:07,600
You go to a career builder, you
go to the other sites, you can

626
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,700
still get jobs without a college
degree.

627
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:12,200
But again an employer who's
going there?

628
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,700
That may not be their first
option, right?

629
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:16,600
Whereas no degree.com, you're
going to know.

630
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,100
This is employer, actually does
not hold it against you that

631
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,700
they value.
Equally and these are pores are

632
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:26,200
pro having people and they focus
more on skills.

633
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,800
So that's like the value, just
an inch and a lot more on

634
00:28:28,808 --> 00:28:32,300
content like the other places
have content, but that's not the

635
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:36,000
main focus.
Like so I have the podcast, I'm

636
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,100
going to have like a whole
ecosystem on Twitter, right?

637
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,600
You're not going to get to see.
Open D on Twitter, giving proper

638
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,000
advice, right?
It's a different thing.

639
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000
So it's like that's where I come
in.

640
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,600
And this is you're injecting
more of your personality sort of

641
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,000
like your signature, your
footprint and a lot of service.

642
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,200
Hell yeah.
Yeah.

643
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,000
And then my thing is, I don't
have shareholders, it's all me,

644
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:57,300
right?
So that's why it's like, I've

645
00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:01,600
been broke for a long time
because of it, but man, I'm not

646
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,500
going to sacrifice the mission
to get money.

647
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,000
Like if I can make money and do
the mission cool, but I'm not

648
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,200
going to make money just for the
sole sake.

649
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,600
Like look, I charge somewhere
around 500 to like 2004 resumes.

650
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,900
But what I charge, someone who's
like a high school kid that?

651
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:17,800
No, I'd be like, look, I have
someone else.

652
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,300
They can work with you.
Here's this like, or I'd be

653
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:22,800
like, hey, if you can get like,
20 High School, I'll do a free

654
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,000
session on resume writing so for
whereas, like, if I work for a

655
00:29:26,008 --> 00:29:27,400
company, they're not going to do
that.

656
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,700
You know, it's everything has to
be like, oh, this enhances our

657
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:33,500
brand this does XYZ, it's like
now, I love connecting with

658
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,600
people who don't, subscribe to
that transactional mindset.

659
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:39,400
I'm thinking about like
networking and you know, it's

660
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,100
funny I meet with people and
they're already giving me

661
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:44,700
advice.
And they're already telling me

662
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:48,400
about some Mastermind class that
got four five thousand dollars.

663
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,000
I'm like, it's almost like you
can't be a hammer in search of

664
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:53,300
Of a nail.
What's the saying?

665
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:56,000
It's like if you're a hammer
everything looks like a nail.

666
00:29:56,500 --> 00:30:00,100
At the end of the day, the point
is you want to help people and

667
00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:03,300
invariably it comes back to you
because who knows that high

668
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:07,400
school kid you're helping out.
Who knows what they'll be off to

669
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,000
do next.
You know, when their next phase

670
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,300
of life and then they could be a
potential partner or refer

671
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:16,100
business back to you.
So I mean, it's always very

672
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,200
refreshing.
I think to hear from

673
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,700
entrepreneurs, who have the Long
View, but yeah.

674
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:23,700
And then the other thing is I
tell Look the podcast is free,

675
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,100
all the articles are free like
there's more than enough to at

676
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:30,400
least make good headwind is so
and it takes like someone's time

677
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,100
that I have to pay or take my
time.

678
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,500
Like I do a lot for free but
it's also like I only need to

679
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,200
make money so I can reinvest to
grow the company so I can give

680
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,700
away more stuff for free.
Like that's my philosophy right,

681
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:44,300
right.
And then where do you see no

682
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,700
degree heading?
Here you mentioned helping with

683
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:48,800
trade schools, things like that.
Like what are some of the things

684
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,000
you see on the horizon for?
Yeah, so look Resume course,

685
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:55,400
that's definitely because I need
money to inject back in.

686
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,300
Actually, here's the thing, I
don't take any money from no

687
00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:59,900
degree.
I just make money off my day job

688
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:02,200
and I have to business on Cyber,
I don't even take that.

689
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,800
I just give my business partners
that because since I have a

690
00:31:04,808 --> 00:31:08,000
full-time job, I want to be very
fair to them and all the money

691
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000
just goes back into investing
into a camera.

692
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:13,800
This equipment in paying my
workers growing, this or podcast

693
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,500
ads, and all that stuff.
And I'll tell you, I don't do

694
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,200
these five year plans, and I'll
tell you why.

695
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,800
Because, who knows what's going
to happen?

696
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,400
I do more like, I mean, what
anyone expected Good.

697
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,400
How are ya?
Like, you know, just everybody

698
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Five-Year Plan was terrible and
then I have like a three-month

699
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,500
plan.
So right now three month is

700
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:32,600
like, hey, get my resume course
out by end of the year, just

701
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,200
like start charging more for my
services since I have a job and

702
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,500
I've written over, 400 resume.
So, get more high-profile

703
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:39,700
client.
Tells I've actually got more who

704
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:41,800
are paying more, I got a few, so
it's good.

705
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,000
Then the next thing is
eventually reinvest money into

706
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,200
content.
So articles, all that stuff, do

707
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,100
the trade school stuff, then
grow that portion of the

708
00:31:51,108 --> 00:31:53,900
business.
Stan SEO to get the site ranking

709
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,800
more for more Partnerships and
the end goal is to compete with

710
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,400
indeed monster and all that.
And then I'll always win on the

711
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,200
diversity angle.
I'm gonna be like, hey, where

712
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,100
were these people ten years ago?
They only care about diversity

713
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,300
now because they see you as
dollar signs and their virtue

714
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:11,000
signaling, but they don't
actually care about you the CEO.

715
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,800
It's a marketing.
Yeah, it's a, it's a marking

716
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,300
tray.
So it's like, do you trust this

717
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:17,700
company to have your best
interest once things changed?

718
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:19,400
They're going to drop you at the
dime, look at how their

719
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,900
organization hires look at their
board.

720
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:24,700
Do they have who they hire, who
they work with.

721
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:27,100
And so, I'm going to attack it
from that angle and I'm going to

722
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:28,700
go for it.
Look, I'll create better

723
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:30,700
content.
I'll be better on Twitter, I'll

724
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:32,600
be better on that.
So it's like I want to be like

725
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,000
big on Twitter, so I could just
like, really just promote have

726
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,900
good.
Things have fun and do spaces

727
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:39,000
for.
I'm just giving away because if

728
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,400
I can make money other ways,
I'll just go on Twitter for free

729
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,000
be like, yeah, what do you have
show up to space?

730
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Go ask a question.
Yeah, you mentioned one word

731
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,900
that I did want to actually
touch on his diversity.

732
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,900
I'd be remiss because obviously
you know both of us being of

733
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,000
South Asian descent tip and
that's kind of what our platform

734
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,200
is about mental health.
But other issue, but just within

735
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,800
the South Asian diaspora, I want
to hear your views on culture,

736
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,000
your perspectives, in terms of
the South Asian experience and

737
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,000
careers in terms of what the
pressures were and what the

738
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,400
pressures continue to be for
people in this demographic, like

739
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,700
about getting the, you know, ivy
league, degree, and Doctor

740
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:22,600
lawyer and your track, it's
broken like I An Ivy League

741
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,400
degree, right?
And my parents were so happy but

742
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,100
eventually it does, it's not
happy like this, it's never

743
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:28,300
enough for them, right?
Yeah.

744
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:30,600
It's like, you got to be a
doctor astronaut lawyer.

745
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,600
All this stuff and it's broken,
because you just push kids into

746
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,600
this careers.
And then, these kids believe,

747
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,200
they like it.
And they spend this, you know,

748
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,600
especially when your doctor,
you're spending the six, eight,

749
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,600
ten years in school, and you get
the job, and it's different.

750
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,500
It's not school.
School is so different, and it's

751
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:51,400
not the job, you expected, and
then you're stuck in this curse,

752
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,700
you get these People who are
depressed.

753
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:55,100
And then the other people is
they people go for status.

754
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,100
Like, I'm a doctor, I've seen
people like, oh, you can only

755
00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:00,200
become a doctor, doctors are the
best, and it's like, okay, what

756
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,900
about the ambulance driver?
Whose?

757
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,700
No.
Actually going on the scene,

758
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,700
right?
Who's getting paid peanuts and

759
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:07,100
then what about the nurse that
helps?

760
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:09,300
What about the mechanic and all
that stuff?

761
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:13,300
Who helped these operations.
So it's like stop look cool.

762
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:16,800
You did a lot, but it's like, I
also think sometimes it's just

763
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,199
long for the sake of being long
and it could be shorter and it

764
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,300
could be more effective because
by friends and met Dental

765
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:23,900
school.
They said they forgot everything

766
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:26,900
after that, I'm going to just
let me put aboard, things

767
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:29,800
change, and things update and I
mean the Health Care system in

768
00:34:29,808 --> 00:34:31,800
this country.
And this is a whole other topic

769
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,400
because part of our business is
stem cell therapy, which is

770
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,400
providing people with different
options, just besides surgery

771
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,699
medication.
You want to talk about broken?

772
00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:43,600
I mean, the Health Care system
in this country is completely

773
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,500
effed up and it's unfortunate
because it's become like an

774
00:34:47,507 --> 00:34:50,900
assembly line and it's very
similar to education.

775
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:51,900
Yeah.
Where it's not about.

776
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000
About really helping the patient
and no, it's not.

777
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000
I don't want to get on a big
Pharma rant here, but the whole

778
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,900
thing is drug companies.
The saying is, it's not that

779
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:03,500
they want to get people better,
they want to sell people more

780
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:04,400
drug.
Yeah.

781
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,400
Right.
And so that's the thing is, I

782
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,500
think it's important for people
to wake up and sort of smell the

783
00:35:09,508 --> 00:35:12,800
coffee because it's like
medicine, ain't what it used to

784
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,300
be because it's just like, yes,
that title May confer some

785
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,500
artificial renowned or some
Prestige, but at the end of the

786
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:25,400
day, I mean, I think people have
a very different opinion about

787
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:28,400
Physicians than they did maybe
in a simpler time.

788
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,500
It's not necessarily the doctors
fault.

789
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,200
Yes.
Just the way that the industry

790
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,900
has evolved or devolve music.
A the big thing that I want to

791
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:39,700
like really touch on is that a
lot of these people who do it

792
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:41,800
for status, they just go through
the motions.

793
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:45,500
Like, I've got a lot of doctors
have this superiority complex,

794
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,200
like, hey, I'm high on the food
chain, you got to listen to me

795
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,700
Global.
I mean, look, there are plenty

796
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:52,600
of other good doctors, right?
Or they're playing Good doctors

797
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,900
were really doing out there.
You know, who are really trying

798
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:56,600
to change the world.
So don't think that all Auntie

799
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,800
doctor.
But then there's also a good

800
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,000
just like any career.
It's just like any profession.

801
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,600
You have some people who care,
some people who don't care, some

802
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,600
people who are purely in it for
money, I know a lot of doctors,

803
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,700
they go into it and then for
Real Estate.

804
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:08,300
So it's like, they don't care
about you, they care about

805
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:10,200
making money.
So it's like, let's get this

806
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,300
stigma off that they're better
people than you.

807
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:14,000
They're not.
They're regular people.

808
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,800
They they're doing a job that's
helpful to society.

809
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,800
Because so many jobs are
helpful.

810
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,300
The janitor is also essential,
right?

811
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:23,200
The people who clean the Opera,
Means writing nurses this.

812
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,400
Yeah, people make the devices.
So I tell people like choose

813
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,000
your career based on what you
actually want to do what you're

814
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000
interested in what you like
doing.

815
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,000
Don't just choose it based on,
you know what someone else says

816
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,300
because it's your life.
They're not going to be the one

817
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:39,000
paying the bills and all that
and you know, that's it.

818
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:41,300
Rip off the templates.
I mean, that's our whole thing

819
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,400
is just don't go by what some
cookie cutter definition, what

820
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,300
it means, right?
What are your other thoughts

821
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,100
about culture applications?
Yeah, I also think that learning

822
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:52,200
should be, we should be more
creative and push towards Other

823
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,500
things because it's like I'm
doing things that like very few

824
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:57,300
people of my skin color doing.
Right.

825
00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:59,500
Yeah.
Like I'm going on Twitter.

826
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,700
Yeah, we're one of the few there
aren't that many Indians

827
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:06,700
bengalis like that many people.
Yeah, on Twitter or Instagram,

828
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:09,000
which is unfortunate, I think
Twitter is like a Hidden Gem,

829
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,900
but yeah, it is.
And then just like different

830
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,400
careers, different things,
different strengths, and it's

831
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,800
okay not to do well in school.
Like I tell people to try do

832
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,800
your effort, but sometimes some
environment is not right for

833
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:21,800
you.
You should push more kids.

834
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,100
A sports Church other things,
right?

835
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,800
And what I do know about law is
one of the air, like it's like

836
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,800
doctor denture.
See like the sciences and remedy

837
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,900
the finance, but law is like so
I want to see more diversity in

838
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:34,200
that.
I will say that look put your

839
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,300
kid, make sure whatever tutoring
I'm fine with but don't overdo

840
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:38,900
it, right?
There's a certain point where

841
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:41,300
the kids are going every day
after school for several hours

842
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,800
to the point where you do other
activities because I'm telling

843
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,700
you like the discipline I got
from wrestling outpaces, the

844
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:49,700
discipline.
Like I passed the actual exam, I

845
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,900
know how to study for hundreds
of hours and Sitting down right

846
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:55,500
other kids, it's just have them
do things.

847
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:57,400
They enjoy right, it's about
life.

848
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,900
You know, like I look back and
that's why I'm an assistant

849
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:02,300
wrestling coach, right?
It's something I enjoy and we

850
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:05,700
need more of that.
And the other thing is, so you

851
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,600
want to have that then.
Yeah, the diversity and

852
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,800
activity, diversity in all these
things, we need it.

853
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,100
And I think as a culture, we
just need to be more supportive

854
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:17,600
of people who do different
things, because they're so

855
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,000
supportive of doctors and all
that, and support of different

856
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,600
thing, because, you know, What's
very sad is that?

857
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:27,100
I can't belie on my community to
support my business, right?

858
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:28,900
Bill pay for tutoring.
They'll pay for this, they'll

859
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:31,300
pay 200k for student loans when
it comes to resume.

860
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:32,400
Now we're not going to pay for
now.

861
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,900
It's not, you know, it's like
interview clip.

862
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:37,900
No, no, people do it.
So it's like, I will never rely

863
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:40,900
on my own community and that's
something I will always remember

864
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:42,100
that.
I could not belie my own

865
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:43,600
Community, because they're not
the ones who are going to pay

866
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,500
me.
They're not the ones who are

867
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:46,500
going to give me referral, and
it's really sad.

868
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,400
There's so many over here and
it's like, I could do your

869
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,300
resume and I was like, I'm going
to get you a job.

870
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:53,800
I'm Gonna Get You.
A 10 20, 30 K raised or I could

871
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,400
get you a job, you know, 50 to 1
to 200 K but you don't find that

872
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,000
valuable because you're so used
to only paying for certain

873
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,700
things.
So we got to stop being so cheap

874
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:04,900
as a community and being
reinvesting.

875
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:07,900
I mean, are you seeing a lot of
South Asian clients for low

876
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,600
degree or is it mostly from over
here and there?

877
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,200
But I mean, I did get a
Southeast Asian client not from

878
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,100
Bangladesh, but I do get in
here, they're, you know, through

879
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:18,900
social media, but a lot of them
just have that.

880
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:22,100
Hey, I could do this myself, you
know, I could do a resume Don't

881
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:24,500
realize like dude.
I'm not just doing something

882
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,800
that you could find on the first
page of Google like I'm coming

883
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,200
with user experience.
I know the job inside and out

884
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:31,400
but, you know, look, it's their
choice from a lot of people,

885
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,800
you've had so many
conversations.

886
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,900
Yeah, it sounds like it's not
just something like you said,

887
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:38,400
Eugene, just like type in how do
I get a job?

888
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,000
Yeah, I would agree.
This is based on you've become a

889
00:39:41,008 --> 00:39:43,900
sponge that you absorb these
lessons from some black people,

890
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,300
right?
We've been in the trenches.

891
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,400
Yeah, I've gone people raises in
the 40K to 120k rain, so it's

892
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,500
like you're not paying just for
your resume, you're paying for

893
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,600
the Ortiz, that lands you, that
job that's going to change your

894
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,200
life, right?
Yeah.

895
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,500
I will say though denied, I will
say I am taking some heart in

896
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:04,900
the, I think the tide is turning
a little bit - guard in terms of

897
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,200
what it means to be a successful
South Asian and that was

898
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,300
amazing.
I don't think like first of all

899
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:13,500
podcasting didn't exist 30.
Yeah go but I'm just thinking

900
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,500
about like, if I've been on this
journey, 30 years ago, if I was

901
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:19,200
trying to do this it was a
different time, you know, there

902
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,500
were not, you know, South Asian
Mission in entertainment was AA.

903
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,200
Puh from The Simpsons.
Yeah, you know, there wasn't a

904
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,700
lot of people like you and me on
the big screen.

905
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:31,900
And now we have so many shows on
Netflix.

906
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:36,400
We have a lot of stand-up
comedians and season Aziz Ansari

907
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,700
and Hasan Minaj called pretty
good.

908
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:39,900
Brilliant.
Brilliant.

909
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:43,500
You know, I've been told like
I'm like a poor man's well

910
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:45,900
sometimes it's either Carlton
from The Fresh Prince.

911
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:49,400
Yeah.
Or Aziz Ansari or some cross but

912
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,700
yeah.
But I will say I feel good about

913
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,100
That that 30 years ago there was
a very it was that whole BS

914
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:58,600
model minority Mets, you know.
Yeah, I'm just the kids who

915
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,000
never got in trouble.
We were always the straight A

916
00:41:01,008 --> 00:41:04,200
students and you know, now we're
just proving that we can be just

917
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,900
as dysfunctional as a people,
right?

918
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Because let me tell you, there
are so many dysfunctional people

919
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,000
who have who are model whatever.
Yeah, and they're dysfunctional

920
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,100
once you know their home life.
Once you know how they actually

921
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,700
are, they're very dysfunctional.
And it's like, we just need to

922
00:41:19,707 --> 00:41:22,700
be more real as a community.
Just be okay with When things

923
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:25,700
change our definition of success
and just support each other

924
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,300
more, right?
Instead of tearing each other

925
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:29,900
down.
Absolutely, I'm just loving this

926
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:32,500
conversation.
But is there anything else you

927
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:35,000
want to touch on?
I mean, we've gone through so

928
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,700
many things here, but my final
message is doubled down on your

929
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:43,100
strengths, find out what those
strengths are and double down on

930
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:46,700
them because that's when you're
going to be happy.

931
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:48,500
That's when you're going to have
more success.

932
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Focus on the long-term, don't
focus on short-term.

933
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,400
But when you double down and
strands, you find out so much

934
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,300
about yourself, you really push
your boundaries, you really

935
00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:01,700
learn who you are, and you have
a much better idea of what your

936
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:04,600
purpose is awesome.
I love that was beautiful.

937
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,900
Well, thanks so much ahead and
tell me again.

938
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:09,600
How can people find you?
Yeah, so you can find me on

939
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,900
LinkedIn.
Should I add Jo and AED it fall?

940
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:15,900
I'm the only person with that
spelling if I may on Twitter No

941
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:19,700
degree d.com.
Check out the notary podcast and

942
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:21,700
your favorite platform or you
can go to know.

943
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,900
Audrey dot f m--.
And if you want to learn more

944
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:25,900
about careers, check out
groov.com.

945
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:28,800
Okay, awesome.
So Janai thanks again so much

946
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,300
man.
It was a real pleasure to talk

947
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:34,000
to you and I'm really excited
really supportive of what you're

948
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,600
doing with no degree and really
excited to see.

949
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,400
All the changes are affecting
and all the lives are going to

950
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,700
be touching in the future.
So keep it up man, really

951
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:44,600
appreciate it, thank you and if
you ever want to do this again,

952
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,900
love to do it.
We'd love to love to.

953
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:51,300
Thanks so much for listening and
I hope you enjoyed that episode

954
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,500
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955
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:57,400
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956
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Spotify and other platforms by
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958
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:06,100
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959
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:09,000
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960
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961
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,500
And until the next time we meet
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962
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:51,300
Thanks so much for listening and
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963
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,500
four more of these types of
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964
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:57,400
Please visit us at untether,
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965
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,000
find us on Instagram at untether
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966
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,100
Spotify and other platforms by
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967
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:06,100
life.
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968
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:09,000
episode, please leave us a
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969
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970
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,500
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