59: Dylan Bernstein: Maximizing Mental and Physical Wellness Through Yoga and Other Eastern Practices

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What can we learn from the words
of iconic?

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Hip-hop group, Public, Enemy IE,
don't believe the hype when it

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comes to embracing the latest
trends in mindfulness,

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meditation and yoga how can yoga
help us?

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Not only extend the length of
our life but quote live in this

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moment 10 times as insightful
and ten times as appreciative of

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the colors and tastes and
everything else to be enjoyed.

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And what can two friends who
last saw each other?

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A Grateful Dead show at
Chicago's Soldier Field in 1992,

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have to talk about after more
than 30 years stay tuned.

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As we dive into these and many
other topics on this Encore

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episode of untether your life.
Welcome to untether your life,

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show that empowers you to own
your own health and break free

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of templates for managing
physical and mental wellness.

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And looks at Key issues,
impacting the South Asian

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diaspora.
I am your host and Kilt or sacar

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and I'm passionate about the
power of conversation to

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catalyze change.
One of the things I love about

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this podcast is reconnecting
with folks who I haven't spoken

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to an ages and having them share
their insights for the benefit

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of you.
The Listener one of these

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individuals is the guest on
Squeaks Encore episode of

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untether your life.
Dylan Bernstein, I've met Dylan

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and summer school in 1988.
We went to a Grateful Dead show

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together as high schoolers in
1992 and we reconnected last

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summer after more than 30 years.
Dylan was a perfect guest for

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this podcast.
As his journey breaks, probably,

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every template that we were
handed in high school.

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He's become one of the world's
Authorities on many of the

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modalities we frequently
discussed in this podcast,

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including yoga South Asian,
wisdom, traditions, and

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pranayama.
I am or breath book.

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Dylan was introduced to yoga
over 30 years ago before

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recently returning to his
hometown of Toledo, Ohio.

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He had maintained his home base
in Vietnam.

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India prolly in Hong Kong since
2001, he has maintained a daily

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practice of Ashtanga yoga for
over two decades.

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Dylan regularly teaches on five
continents and is built Mysore.

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Yoga groups in Hong Kong,
Istanbul, and Bali.

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He has a master's degree in
Buddhist studies, as well as

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certifications from the shriek a
pattabhi jois, Ashtanga Yoga.

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Our Institute and yoga Alliance
Ashtanga Vinyasa coupled with

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pranayama and other sitting
practices continue to be the

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foundations of his
understandings and teachings.

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And with that let's get
untethered.

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That is a lot of story.
I'm so glad we were able to

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connect last summer and whatsa
happen.

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Amazing discussion that we had
and I'm so glad that were able

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to continue it today.
It's nice to know ya know it's

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an honor to be invited all these
years later to find this point

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of connection here where it's B.
We're optimistic that there's

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some so part that's greater than
myself, greater than yourself,

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our shared experiences and what
we offer that there's

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synergistic connection, that's
going to be a great benefit to

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all your community to hopefully
do my community.

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I think your story is
fascinating as well.

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I think it's great, too.
There were connected.

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I think it's amazing that you've
taken the time as well.

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Instead of just settling into
the normal sort of

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unsatisfactoriness Paducah of
what most people consider daily

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life.
The look at How you might

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completely change completely
re-evaluate myself in midlife

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and make huge, and, and, and
difficult changes to bring about

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a much healthier experience for
yourself for your loved one, for

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your family.
And then that just ripples out.

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I think it's really inspiring
what you're doing as well.

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So it's a great honor to be here
and I'd forgotten one that

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michiel you are also a dearly
grateful and devoted disciple of

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Jennifer bars whole hearts
Teacher who's a brilliant mind,

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a brilliant pedagogue.
And doesn't rely on what people

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think of her or or flashy
techniques what she relies on

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his listening to adolescents and
listening to students, they

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herb, etiology is amazing.
She's an incredibly important

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person in my life because she
was also my first yoga teacher

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in 1980, and then she was not an
established yoga teacher.

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She did not teach yoga asked her
that she just thought.

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What would I do?
What could I do?

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If I, if I was able to offer you
This small selective group of

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students every day for a month
and for me that you set up the

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foundation of actually, what
would become the Bedrock of my

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entire life.
So I'm always immensely

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grateful, we never know, we
never know the impact, our words

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and our actions, and our
teachings will have about other

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people.
Teddy, of course, being Jenny.

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She's like oh I didn't know what
I was doing and it's not a big

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deal.
Don't worry about, it's very

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humble, you very humble.
But for me as a yoga

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practitioner and even yoga
Special, whatever that means

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these days my introduction to
yoga was probably one of the

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most important things that ever
could have happened in my life.

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So I'm always at her feet.
Basically, I'm always grateful

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for our tradition of of being
incredibly, incredibly grateful

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to the first teacher, and that's
what matters.

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So, so much we have a good
teacher.

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We can never never discount the
value of having a good teacher

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in any.
I wasn't aware that Jenny.

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It's all day, actually, even
pluck yoga.

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And I didn't realize that
because, obviously, we can, we

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had stayed connected through
Facebook, and I'd see he rocked

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age, you became like, the
modern-day car in San Diego.

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It's like, where in the world is
Dylan.

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This this month he's in Bali,
this monkeys in Prague, tell me

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more.
I'd love to hear more about how

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the yoga practice was was in
high school.

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Like, were you actively
practicing it?

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I'd love to know because I was
unaware of what up my distinct

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memory of you.
Ooh, from high school is not

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just the writing Workshop.
I remember we also went to a

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Grateful Dead show.
Doug ha.

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I literally have to go.
I don't know.

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I have no recollection of, what
do you even the Grateful, who?

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I'm not guarantee that those
records are sealed.

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Right out, wait a minute.
Wait, I'm hearing some colors.

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Oh yeah, should have been.
Oh yeah yeah yeah those are

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those are some fun times there.
Yeah.

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Grateful Dead show and also
remember that you are the peanut

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gallery in a lot of the
basketball babes you and Brian

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and On you guys were all he's
heckling the other teams.

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So, it's interesting to
juxtapose the Whole Yoga angle

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into that.
I'd love to hear more about sort

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of back in good old Long Valley,
sort of how yoga inform your

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out, your daily practices ice.
Yeah, that's great, man, it's

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cool because I'm here where I
grew up and where discovered

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your him during Toledo, right
now, right in your eye right

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now, just outside Toledo.
And and I haven't, I have not

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spent much time here since 92,
since high school, it was

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fascinating.
It was such an interesting gift

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to discover yoga as a 13 or 14
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And to have it with me, they'll
like you said, you didn't

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realize I wasn't some sort of I
wasn't identifying publicly as

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you're walking around with a
math under your on your alright.

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Well I mean we there were no
studios may be in New York, you

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know a few Studios and started
may be in l.a. a few Studios had

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started London Tokyo, I don't
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not around.
Here not in Detroit, maybe at

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the YMCA in big cities, but
yeah, but yoga was was fairly

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unheard of.
It was not a vintage.

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Yeah, raineesha there was not
really a commercial place, so

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there's no identification or out
which in some ways was very

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beautiful.
There is no, well, I'm a yogi.

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So that means these things, it
was just a practice for me, but

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I was very lucky to to have
Jennifer and have Stern.

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Another teacher Valley, gift us,
this yoga practice that that I

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could do.
Do and call upon any time

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anywhere.
So my teen turbulent, like you

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said, it's the practice just
being in high school is is a

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spits spits, tricky, being
analyzed it.

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Something obviously, maybe not
as rigorous as I started, there

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was a daily thing.
But was it something that you

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would sort of if you had a
stressful day or our basketball

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team, got thumped in your takes
fingery heart isn't as a rat as

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the ravaged stand that you were,
who are you would come home and,

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like, would you engage in some
meditation, to try to manage the

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For, as I did not practice like
you like you've noted.

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I did not practice daily back
then was not a regular saying,

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like many things in the lives of
our lessons and people in their

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20s, it was a great dane that I
knew was helping me.

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But I only did it when I
remembered which sometimes weeks

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or months with us when I didn't
practice every Democrat, this

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Towers fell.
Well, yeah, this is a great

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thing.
Like, I can breathe.

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I can, I feel much more spacious
in my life and I think, once I

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realized that I had ordered
Double pocket sized parachute.

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Then when I got pretty bummed
out when I was maybe 15 16 years

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old.
And then once I realized, oh

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wait, I have a therapeutic with
me at all times, and I can't

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really do it wrong.
There's no harmful side effects

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and I could do it anytime
anywhere.

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Then, when I would remember, I
could bring myself back from

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whatever extreme I was at.
So, I never really got solo

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again because I knew.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Whoa, I'm getting desperately.
Sad.

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Out or frustrated?
Or I have an honest.

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Okay, well I know I can do this
practice and then I'll feel

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better.
I would seek the highest of the

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highs as well, they're all sorts
of means and sometimes those

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suck dick bags, would leave me
lost the words at a loss per

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action at a loss for
self-identity.

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Coming back from what.
Now, the kids consider so

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medicinal coming back from some
of that to be able to come down.

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He was a nice Tethered to
reality.

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He was always there, tether to
the unchanging gratitude for

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existence, simply for existing
and that loud.

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That allowed me to explore
really far out because I knew, I

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could always come back.
They don't even lose incredibly

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useful but also to your points,
it felt that it needed to be

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secret.
I felt that he could tell the

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practice and my meditation
practice.

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Whether there were well,
informed or totally all Basin

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whatever I felt the day.
They needed to be secret because

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I noticed once I told some well,
hey, I was just doing yoga.

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Oh, hey, I had an interesting
experience in meditation.

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It became something else.
It became something in their

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mind.
Something in my mind, my

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identity changed.
So for about 15, 16 years, did

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you feel there was some like
skepticism where people would

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say oh that's some freaky Voodoo
stuff or what?

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No, the opposite and responsible
when they're like, oh, You do

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yoga.
Oh, you, you know, things your

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spiritual?
Oh, the worst thing that could

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happen.
I am a pre Instagram generation.

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The worst thing that could
happen to me.

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Was that I would believe my own
be Essence.

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Worried about how great I am.
If you believe the hype, you

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believe your own hype basically
exactly.

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I mean, we grew up with Flavor.
Flav - clear don't believe the

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hype right, he's high, don't
Kelly's, I see yeah, yeah.

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So we really did grow up in a
dump.

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Leave the high time we could
look around and see.

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Yeah.
You're just trying to sell me

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something.
I don't know that.

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I'm going to believe that
whereas now people growing up,

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it's all hyped, right?
It doesn't matter if you're

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particularly knowledgeable or
good at something, if you could

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just type it up.
That's fine.

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That's just as good and yoga has
become part and parcel of that.

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So, I feel blessed to have found
you ago, but blessed in my life,

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narrative to have been able to
practice.

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Basically, you know, vacuum,
they lead the way I was set up

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as well, if he had done, Wall
and broken like Grunge music

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broke for us or hip-hop.
I wouldn't abandon it.

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I would have high knowing how
popular and commercialized.

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It's a potential had become.
It would have been very

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with both seat and keep it
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religion or Temple or of the
your personal that had Had a lot

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of great import to you and in
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ride.
So it is it really is?

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Anyone, anytime any?
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idea that it's for these people
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those know, it's interesting
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Maumee Valley was extremely
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great school.
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experience.
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good times, but it was
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pre-professional.
Line where it was either, there

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are three choices, doctor,
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obviously blazed a very
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which is always been fascinated.
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the, you had to like Antioch
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Is that, is that?
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enough and realizing, why was
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Her.
I was failing at being school,

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but yeah, it was good.
How did you go from their first

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day on campus to Becoming one of
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So dollars of yoga these days,
I've learned to hear the German

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Antioch actually had a yoga
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ope credit.
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hand, I did hand bolt, and then
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did yoga, and I wish that I in
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opportunity, actually.
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it will happen, but as I spend
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students, because it's such a
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And to Mommy, baroness says,
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it's such a wild time and if you
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it, where you might hope to
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could sit down and do the
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academic work that you're being
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You when you're 19 years old,
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kind of re-enrich re-engage that
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was the evolution or was it a
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freshman year with Jenny's at
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people doing yoga.
The first, I was in a non secret

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personal practice was he was
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practicing because we might have
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huge.
He's, I didn't know that many

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people did yoga in the midwest,
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that white bread.
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But on still my practice with
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Eastern philosophy, taoism land.
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major and do it as studies,
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That's right.
Then later, I went back and got

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my masters.
I'm Buddhist studies, but the

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next huge leap, Word was going
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George is our motherland artlab.
Distorts it all as you power as

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you know, then I don't have any
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I cannot, I cannot claim that
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married, an Indian man, when I
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before I was born.
So I grew up in the wake of the

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fap.
The girl here on the male human

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being would had some exposure to
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like yeah, your three or four
people and a curiosity, you

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know, I don't know.
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So eventually I made it my first
trip was 13 months and then I

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started to find different Yogi's
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cultural Roots which I think are
Jeff woman.

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What a Spore, do to make that
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Was it just out of curiosity or
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Yeah, well, it took you there.
Well yeah, as a kid, I grew up

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reading comic books.
My dad only comic book store.

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Not remembered so much because

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I'm still here is that still
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Or if it is not, it is not good.
Think most of us talk inside

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home, who's on Reynolds Reynolds
Road and All right.

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As right door.
Street Cafe, huh?

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Got it?
Yeah, it's a comic shop at the

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end of the universe was
officiating.

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Yes, I remember that.
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But so, my aunt story bless her
soul, would bring me Dominic's,

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ring you every year.
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, stand.

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And you know, the armor,
cheetara projects rate was not

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if you give anyone listening has
not had an experience with

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Indian Comics go out today and
grabs When You Comics there

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fast.
Getting their fabulous because

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the American superhero idea, it
turns out it's rather limited

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and boring compared with what
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Indian culture has been
discussing.

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Illusions of years, literally,

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thousands of years.
Making his end and retelling

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these fabulous stories.
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Until you got exposed to like
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through these Comics.
It sounds like.

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That's what I'm that's
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Incredible so then I really had
an interest like what kind of

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Cultural soil, could give rise
to a mythology, a literature and

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a cosmology, a will way of
seeing the world like this a way

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of seeing the world where it
doesn't matter if they have

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Shiva died in the last issue
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Shiva again been an American
comics where was ideal that was

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an alternate Dimension.
Let me explain it to you.

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They say some is backwards.
Whatever are some idea.

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Now in the Indian Mythos, you
don't need to rationalize

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everything.
Everything.

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This is what happened.
There is a guy was born.

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He was a man.
Let me change into a girl and

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then he became a snake.
Okay, let's go with that.

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You don't need to, you know,
have the labs bitten by a

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radioactive spider and so bad
that exposure to the comic Laura

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spurred, your interest in that
culture.

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And then that's what piqued your
interest and motivated you to

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spend some time in India then.
And you spend what a year Zuri?

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Yeah, my first trip, I spent a
year and it first again I

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avoided yoga teachers because
I'm not Great at following Drew

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crowds and I did go and check
out the guru's, the big famous

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Guru, the hugging mother, I'll
mod and all the other gurus.

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I could, I could get a peek at
because I was very sad.

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It was that in, he went to
Mysore first when you, when you

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went to India or no idea.
There's so much to see and do in

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those days every country, I go
to our volunteer to school.

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Part of that, you know, the gift
of having Jenny as a mentor and

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teacher was realizing how
important education can be not

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for a career in business, but
for just your personal

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Foundation, realizing someone
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Someone listens to me.
Someone cares about me and my

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ideas are important.
Anyway, I volunteer and check

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out what is pedagogy look like
in West, Bengal.

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That was my first stop.
I checked out gurus.

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I checked out food.
I checked out everything I could

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check.
Gout and then eventually, I

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started exploring and checking
out yoga teachers, I found a

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great teacher Vijay, Amar, he
still teaching in India, still

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told me the ball, an amazing
teacher, who is teaching, large

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Tango was a great Awareness on
individuals what they needed,

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taking great care of people, not
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And I did an intensive training
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That was great, then I returned
to Vietnam War, had lived

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previously and began Having
Eight began to teach their these

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other experiences.
Is that I've had have been

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brilliant, but I need to focus
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Even if it means taking a vow of
poverty, which in the end, it

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did not, but I'm, it certainly
felt like, well, okay, this is

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going to be an interesting
Journey, but it felt right, you

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know, it felt, right.
I was just curious.

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Did you, did you have any doubts
at any point where you were like

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economically?
Like, what were you living on

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day-to-day?
Was it like, the proverbial bowl

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is ramen or likely?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
But you Devils house, it Yeah,

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that's right, man.
This is a great now.

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This is an interesting question
to kill.

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This is fabulous.
And you've done a great

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character analysis here as well.
Both of us, I mean, in all of

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us, this is all of death.
Everyone, I was living on there.

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By the end of the month, though.
I had support from some yoga

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students, who would come to
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the end of the month.
Sometimes, I'd be like, great, I

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can eat one big meal at the
vegetarian restaurants, a low

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next to the temple, every temple
in Vietnam as a vegetarian

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restaurant in Lexington.
Affordable very affordable.

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You know I would imagine it was
maybe 50 cents a meal or

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something I can't remember
exactly but and that's what I'm

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literally Beginning by are so
that was interesting but doubts

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about missing out.
It's so interesting how that

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words because I think yeah, same
exact mechanics happening

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inside.
But I'm why fear of missing out

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is what if I miss out on my
chance to take my shot and live

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to my potential.
Oil on my terms but the thing is

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you know I feel like this was my
dad as well.

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Let's just get to it.
My dad did not make money as a

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business bank and he suffered
huge losses and Dad and and also

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the shame of raising it around
making people in the family

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saying, what are you doing?
You're trying to sell comic

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books.
Why don't you try and raise a

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kid?
Putting fact, but in fact

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fast-forward, 40 years later,
this kid is super grateful that

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his dad well in the comic book
shop because Give me about

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business.
I didn't learn in those ways but

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I learned that you could just
try to do your own thing.

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You could Mark, follow your
bliss as Joseph Campbell puts

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forth for us and to be able to
do that and find some grounding

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in the world.
In a way to feed oneself is is a

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great blessing Public.
Enemy Chuck D.

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If you ever get a chance to hear
him speak now he's like, look,

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it's not about hip-hop and it's
not about politics, and it's not

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about Rhymes and it's not about
beets.

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He's saying is it's about you
doing what you want to do, it's

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about you telling you the whole
time well saying was just

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personal empowerment and that
was his voice.

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He happened to come through at
that moment and that's what I

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try and do too.
Instead of just trying to get

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people to dogmatically, open
your books, bhagavad-gita to

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chapter a Q3 and looking
selfless service.

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And this is what it says in the
book.

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So this is what you have to
believe know.

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I'm still interested in open the
book, read the book, and let's

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Jenny, barthold, ominous reader.
Give more collaborative and

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interactive and yeah, that's the
best way to learn.

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There's a guy that we've been
showing, I've been following

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Mission look Yanina and he's all
about, yeah.

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Just the fact that education
technology and pharmaceuticals

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everything is evolved.
So much and education is really

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still in the Dark Ages who and
there's so much of that tile

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down command and control style
of teaching that really does not

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teach our has to think
critically or be created up

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realize their full creativity.
It's always trying to put a

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square peg around bull just like
obey.

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If you do x y z then you'll
achieve this hours.

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That's right.
That's completely pig head.

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It's completely just not, it's
not the most effective way of

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Education, Act, a bad dad, best
Zod idea of square peg in a

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round hole.
Had its functionality in the 50s

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and 60s when maybe you're going
to go join a corporation.

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And here's got to do Follow
follow follow.

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Just do what everyone does.
Let the end you get a gold

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watch.
You get to retirement fine.

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Right?
But if you try and do that, now

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you're going to have your 49th
birthday party and get a pink

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slip because you just been a
follower and everything's

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funeral evolving and changing so
much.

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Exactly, because he's 21 year.
Olds are like I'm dropping out

448
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,100
of her business school or
undergrad, or I've already seen

449
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:52,500
what I can do.
Who formed the Revolutionary

450
00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:55,500
technologies that we need?
Yeah, I absolutely agree with

451
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:56,500
that.
I think education.

452
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,900
Ian is key and and I'm still an
educator.

453
00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:00,800
That's how I see myself.
Yeah.

454
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,600
What are you doing these days?
Because during Toledo right now

455
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,700
and we were talking about you
actually were able to teach at

456
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:09,800
the workshop at Yoga Center in
Toledo.

457
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,000
Like what are you doing
day-to-day?

458
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,100
Like in terms of workshops now
with well, I guess this might be

459
00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:18,800
out of date.
By the time it gets published

460
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,400
but things are opening up a
little bit more.

461
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:24,900
People are reading and purse
right now, I'm just curious like

462
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,700
bring the pandemic.
So, how did that affect your

463
00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:32,400
practice and your teaching?
Like, was it, were you able to

464
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,400
still connect with a lot of
students over to zoo?

465
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:43,100
Absolutely, but for me, the, the
pandemic was, I know millions of

466
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:47,700
people and beyond that, the
psychological effects of the

467
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:50,600
fear, and the terror, and the
lockdowns, and then the work

468
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,900
situation, everything is we've
gone through a collective human

469
00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:56,800
trauma.
Like we probably never Gone

470
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,800
through before but at the same
time there's a silver lining in

471
00:24:59,808 --> 00:25:01,600
the Silver Lining.
Yeah a some.

472
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,000
So for me I've been meaning to
take more and more time.

473
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,200
I had been taking more and more
time traveling and getting into

474
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,800
the bush and being in the
wilderness after many years,

475
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,900
after a decade of being based in
Hong Kong, I knew my personal

476
00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:17,300
Evolution and practice was was
in nature.

477
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,300
So I was actually in South
Africa when the pandemic came,

478
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:24,600
that was on Safari and teaching,
and when the pandemic came, I

479
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,500
just stopped by just stayed in
the Kruger.

480
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,900
National park for 8 months by
the end of it, I took the test,

481
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:33,800
it will became a certified Field
Guide of South Africa but maybe

482
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,200
even early on.
So I hope the South African

483
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,100
Wilderness but I'd in terms of
teaching, it's been great

484
00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:44,300
because before what I try and do
a remote course or keep in touch

485
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:47,800
with people are connection for
tenuous and people were trying

486
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,800
to their days with as many
things as they could do.

487
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,400
Just ringing every hour for as
many meetings as you could

488
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,200
squeeze em, especially in
person.

489
00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:58,900
Where is it?
You know the lockdown for many

490
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:02,100
of us who are fortunate enough
to have that experience taught

491
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:04,000
us.
We can do this Mickey old, I can

492
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,300
just talk for an hour.
Yeah, let it remain useful, put

493
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,100
it up.
So when the pandemic first

494
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,000
started, I think in the end of
March 2020 was in the first

495
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
month.
Yeah, I realized.

496
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Well, some people are going to
probably go online and do like,

497
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,300
fabulous Big Yoga things.
I don't necessarily want to blow

498
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:25,800
it up, but I want to be there
for people, and this is going to

499
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,600
be interesting.
So I reinvigorated an old

500
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:31,800
reading groups that I would do
called contextualizing yoga.

501
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,800
And we took a look at the
account, Obama shot, which is a

502
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,100
great Obama shot, a boy speaking
with Lord Death and asking him.

503
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:41,800
What's the nature of living and
dying and I thought, okay, look

504
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,300
we're all terrified of death
right now.

505
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:47,200
That's really what's happened.
You do not talking about death,

506
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,400
has not helped us.
We need to be able to take a

507
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,100
good hard look at death because
it really helps us appreciate

508
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:55,900
life.
So let's do it.

509
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,400
And we had Great turnout.
We had 34 is resolved, this is

510
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,900
all virtual.
Well this was all virtual.

511
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:06,600
I would personally I would have
15 minute conversation every

512
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,200
week with the ladies at the
health food store and we'd be

513
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,600
all masked up like are you okay
out in that cabin in the woods

514
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,600
and I was like yeah he seems
okay.

515
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,700
But if you don't see me know
week, please send some to quinoa

516
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:25,700
while so okay because I gotta
say I mean for me initially it

517
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:30,100
was I would say, like, for
business before people were a

518
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:33,500
little bit more guarded with
their calendar dried, they'd be

519
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:36,700
like you'd want to meet or
something and they'd always

520
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:39,200
there, counter very full.
Now it was just so easy,

521
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,400
especially going to conferences
and things like that.

522
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,400
It was so easy to take a static
shot of approach.

523
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,800
You know, if there are people in
London or over India or

524
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,400
wherever, you know, we were able
to connect because that was the

525
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,900
new Norm, right?
You didn't have to get on later

526
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,300
Union have to fight Chicago
traffic to me.

527
00:27:56,500 --> 00:28:00,700
Somebody restaurant.
But I will say the personal

528
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:05,100
connection was really lost
because I haven't done much

529
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:09,200
yoga, but like when I've had to
do it, I found that it's really

530
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,900
helpful.
When you have that face-to-face

531
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:14,700
connection, when you're able
then, did instructors able to

532
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:16,700
especially you have like 20
people, the instructors,

533
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:20,800
obviously able to get a better
sense for your posture, make

534
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,400
some corrections and things like
that.

535
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,800
So but it sounds like you that
wasn't that much of a challenge

536
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,700
for you then Well, I mean it
was, it was, it wasn't for

537
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:32,300
everyone but I did find out the
great selection of people all

538
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:36,400
over the world, who are more, I
to discuss the lassithi in that

539
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,300
environment, then, share what
their Reflections were just what

540
00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:43,200
they're going through without
getting weepy.

541
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,300
And, you know, here's my trauma.
Here's my treasure not that

542
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:49,200
there's anything wrong with that
process, but it can be a bit

543
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:52,900
self-cherishing with the idea
that we're all helping Anna for

544
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,200
me, one another, we found a
great Community.

545
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,300
I still do.
Occasionally and I did then

546
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:01,500
teach some awesome across and
some postural classes online.

547
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,700
Then I sounded very different
with all that said, what

548
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:08,300
happened at the beginning by the
beginning of 2021.

549
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:14,100
I realized I wanted inversion
connection and dedicated student

550
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,300
ship as well.
So I started doing all the

551
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:20,200
furthering yoga Traditions
mentorship a mentorship leader

552
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:23,100
for groups over just retiring.
Sorry to interrupt but just a

553
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,000
backup.
So did you say that you shifted

554
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,100
a little bit?
It more like the focus of more

555
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,600
about like philosophy and
reading versus actual like,

556
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,200
teaching like posture and
different asanas.

557
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,500
Then Alex, are you still doing
that during the pandemic?

558
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:38,900
Or?
Yeah, I mean, there's some

559
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:41,900
percentage.
It's always been in my mix and

560
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:45,300
probably when I first started
out or depending on the context

561
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,900
of what I've been invited yoga
studios around the world often

562
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:51,700
find that they might want to
invite someone to come teach.

563
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:53,600
Awesome Islands, can teach
posture.

564
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,400
Sometimes I'm blessed enough to
be invited.

565
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,600
I go and teach What what the
community needs?

566
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,400
I don't want to shove philosophy
down someone's throat and to

567
00:30:03,408 --> 00:30:05,400
figure out how to make their
spines.

568
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,900
You'll better for instant when I
find that there are definitely

569
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:11,000
synergistic and they connected,
so there's some percentage and

570
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,600
yes, my recipe got more into,
okay.

571
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,900
I'm going to help people with a
philosophical element, in

572
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:20,800
relation to how they practice
and nowadays and relationship,

573
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,900
how they teach possible.
So those mentorships then, also

574
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,700
contain a hybrid.
Component where we do a months,

575
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:31,300
long ago, immersive component in
Istanbul or sometimes.

576
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:33,500
Maybe we're looking at doing in
Egypt, maybe we'll come to one

577
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:37,400
and Toledo bring people here
because I totally agree with you

578
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:41,000
face-to-face.
Contact sharing graphs, sharing

579
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,000
hair?
Yes.

580
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,400
Yeah.
Sharing are is part of The Human

581
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,600
Experience course.
Yes, we had a reason to go

582
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,200
through and with severe and
serious severe preventative

583
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,400
measures great.
But at some point, we also Need

584
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,600
to remember there's a reason why
wearing community in in real

585
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,200
life none of us made it here a
low.

586
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,500
Even me and secret practitioner
very Lone Wolf, always on the

587
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:11,800
road solo.
Kind of guy we need to munity.

588
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,700
That's yeah, like mastodons in
community.

589
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:18,100
We're going to keep, you know,
Finding ways to survive and come

590
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:22,100
up with great Technologies and,
and be a healthier Society in

591
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:25,400
community.
So, that concept Tsonga some guy

592
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,300
right there, - yeah.
And it's huge song guy's huge.

593
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,800
Yeah, the Dharma that's easy.
Everybody wants to know what the

594
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,700
Buddha taught.
Great, no problem.

595
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:39,100
But to deal with the guy next to
you snoring and did you do with

596
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:42,700
yourselves?
Not like you people, that's

597
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:45,900
where the real work.
I did want to take it back to

598
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:49,900
basics a little bit here because
what's interesting is yoga the

599
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:52,700
etymology of it, it's about
Union.

600
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:56,000
So it's about connection of the
brain-body connection.

601
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,100
But In that in Balance.
It's a bit of a misnomer or

602
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:01,700
Wade's interpreted.
When people hear about yoga,

603
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:04,900
they just think of hoses.
They think of downward dog or

604
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:08,200
they think of child's post.
When, in fact, I would argue

605
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,600
that the breath work is just as
important or maybe even more so

606
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,900
than the actual asanas.
The actual poses.

607
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,300
What, what is Yoga means?
You not just in text book

608
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:22,400
definition, but if you were to
try to boil it down here,

609
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,400
somebody who had been living
under, the proverbial rock

610
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:27,900
throw.
Life, like how would you convey

611
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:29,900
it to them?
Well, I think it's great, it's a

612
00:32:29,908 --> 00:32:31,500
great question and I think it's
great.

613
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,900
If they've been living under the
proverbial Rock because I

614
00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:37,800
wouldn't have these preconceived
notions that yoga is twisting

615
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,300
your body like a pretzel.
Yes that easy technique and

616
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:45,900
Incredibly useful technique but
it is a technique for yoga.

617
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:50,200
The you know, it is a is a means
to an end and the means is

618
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,700
highly important because
practice is highly important.

619
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,400
I think what gosh there's so
many Definitions of yoga, the

620
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,400
main thing, I always want to
reiterate these days, is that

621
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,800
there there is no end to it,
there's nothing, that's not

622
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,800
yoga, and we can get all the
caught up in thinking on nikhil

623
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,000
practices with that teacher,
that's not yoga or Dylan teaches

624
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,400
are stronger.
Oh, that's not yoga, that's not

625
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,300
my kind of yoga, right?
But really, it really is a

626
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:21,200
Mantic.
It's really semantics of the end

627
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,600
of the day.
It is Renee really isn't Antics.

628
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,100
And there are people who've
never heard of yoga who I would

629
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:28,900
argue.
You are practicing yoga and and

630
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,100
lineup was all the classical
definitions.

631
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:34,700
I think, the first definition of
yoga historically was yin yoga

632
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:39,200
with sacrifice yoga is actually
based around sacrifice and that

633
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,900
scares the heck out of the
average consumer nowadays

634
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:45,800
because they think they're going
to buy a product and that

635
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,600
product is going to make them
magically more complete.

636
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:53,300
And so sacrifice sounds like
they're going to lose some part

637
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:56,100
of their hoard of Commodities
Act.

638
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,700
Actually it turns out if you
start stripping away masks and

639
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:05,300
false identities.
If you start sacrificing and

640
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:08,300
being grateful and helping
others, you find something

641
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:13,600
inside, that's very deep perhaps
Eternal and it escapes

642
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,100
definition and being able to
taste that to touch that to look

643
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,199
at it, get a hint of it, a whiff
of it is amazing.

644
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,199
And that's life-changing back to
an earlier point.

645
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,900
I think you had Even when I
wouldn't practice for months,

646
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:32,400
when I was at eing order, pretty
year old still the experience.

647
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,400
I had it admitted changed
changed my DNA.

648
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,300
I realized it is a meditative
experience.

649
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:42,600
There he is a great underlying
gratitude that runs through the

650
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,400
entire lights, just remember it.
So you don't need to do anything

651
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,400
about it.
Just remember that?

652
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,500
So, yoga shows up in all sorts
of different forms, but I think

653
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:55,699
it has a practice is Important
as well.

654
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:59,700
Because when we practice
something regularly, Sanskrit

655
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:05,000
term abhyasa, we find we become
detached from results.

656
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,600
Santa will bring term by dogyum.
So, those things working

657
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,500
together, and that can apply to
any running driving a bus.

658
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:17,100
If you drive a bus every day, he
had some practice, you get

659
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:21,100
better every day.
It doesn't make you a saint, but

660
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,500
it doesn't necessarily mean you
have more money or fame, or

661
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,100
Something like that.
But, you know, I try to drive

662
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:29,700
the bus.
I try to, you know, if I'm a

663
00:35:29,707 --> 00:35:32,900
marksman, I try to hit the
target every day, a little

664
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:35,000
better, some days, you have a
good day, some days, you have a

665
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,900
bad day, you learn.
How you react to that, you get

666
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:39,200
angry.
Do you hate the world?

667
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,300
You blame someone else to blame
yourselves, you just get to look

668
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:46,000
at all the contents of the mind.
All the habits are there, and

669
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,400
wake that?
Because you can see them clearly

670
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,200
you can detach from although
externalized definitions of

671
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:58,600
success and everything.
So practicing And obviously your

672
00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:02,800
wheelhouse is Ashtanga Yoga.
So there's a whole host of other

673
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,900
forms.
There's Hatha.

674
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:06,400
Yoga, mother's Vinyasa new
tower.

675
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,400
Like, how is ice tongue a
different and what about it in

676
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,900
particular appeals?
You the others you want makes

677
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:15,000
different?
Yeah?

678
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Thank you.
Great.

679
00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:18,200
Great question.
What makes it different?

680
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,500
I would I want to go in there
and say nothing, you know, I

681
00:36:21,508 --> 00:36:26,700
don't want because we get into
those Separations again, where

682
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,300
exactly?
Are you practicing yassa?

683
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:33,200
Well, I'm sorry you haven't
found a true blah blah blah yet

684
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,500
or vice or hours, or whatever.
But yoga is Yo and our strong is

685
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:40,800
a great method.
It's what I say, great.

686
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,500
I mean, it's been effective for
me.

687
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,400
I know it's been effective for
me.

688
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,200
So I know it works for some
people because I know tangibly,

689
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,700
it works for me.
It may very well work for other

690
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:54,400
people, so much depends on
teacher.

691
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,400
We describe our anyway in more
concrete Ashtanga is a set

692
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,900
series of breath which guide you
into and out of a set series of

693
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:07,400
postures from the outside.
If you were to look at someone's

694
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,900
fabulous, YouTube video of them
doing are stronger.

695
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:14,800
You would see posture.
And you would think this person

696
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,100
is practicing set series of
poses.

697
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:22,200
When you practice are stronger
regularly with depth, I think

698
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,300
you realize I'm practicing set
series of breaths.

699
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:29,900
Listen hail I put my arms up
this exhale I go down touch the

700
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:32,700
Earth.
And so with that practice is

701
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:36,100
very meditative.
It is a meditation in motion for

702
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:39,200
me, that's how I provide.
So I prefer to practice it and

703
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,300
I'll allow students to explored
and it's sequential and it's a

704
00:37:43,308 --> 00:37:46,700
bit of a fixed system that first
you do these, then you do those

705
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:48,600
postures.
So it's interesting because it

706
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,600
appeals to people who haven't
dedicated mindset when you are

707
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,500
ready for him for whatever.
The take on daily practice.

708
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,400
It also appeals to people who
are ambitious and acquisitive,

709
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,700
who want to acquire.
The next pose, get many more

710
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:09,500
like he's super Dangerfield is
that unique to Arch Dango versus

711
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:12,600
the other forms?
Or is it something you observed

712
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,800
or just I don't think it's
Unique.

713
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,900
I think that's always there.
The acquisitive mind will always

714
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:24,200
find something to acquire a game
to play to get more success but

715
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,800
our ganga might be the sharpest
tool in the shed in that respect

716
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,800
that it will offer.
You Glenn Toews grounds to play

717
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,700
around with the equisetum Polly
but at some point hopefully you

718
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:39,300
have a breakthrough and you're
able to see yourselves.

719
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:42,800
See your mind again from the
outside and realized.

720
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,400
All right, I keep doing this
thing where I'm just trying to

721
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,200
acquire more poses, even if it
feels like it, physically hurts

722
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,400
me.
What if I I just let go, where

723
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,600
is the Detachment has That to my
practice.

724
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Where's the sacrifice?
Because again, those are the

725
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,700
ultimate roots from yoga.
I think I shot guaranteed to

726
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:05,900
integrate meditative practice.
I think it could be totally

727
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:09,600
misunderstood as a physical
acquisitive practice.

728
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,700
But hopefully it also needs
people to this this sort of

729
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:16,200
non-dualistic realization.
There's nowhere else to be.

730
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,200
There's no other coach to
acquire.

731
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:21,100
There's nothing wrong with my
body, there's nothing right with

732
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,900
my body.
It just is as it is.

733
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:27,100
Is this breath right now, that's
happened.

734
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:29,200
So I think it's an amazing
practice.

735
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,700
I think it's brilliant and it's
out there.

736
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:33,100
I hope it doesn't get
pigeonholed as a physical play.

737
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,100
It's yeah.
There's a lot of references to

738
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:38,900
Mysore, which is, as I
obviously, know, as a city in

739
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:41,300
India.
What can you tell me a little

740
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:45,100
bit more about their of how
Mysore applies to yoga like with

741
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:48,700
these mice or LED workshops that
you do for sure?

742
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:51,600
So when we say my, so are we
talking about with specific

743
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,400
pedagogy way of teaching are
stronger, which is a very good.

744
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,400
Way.
And it's used, not only, is it

745
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,300
traditional, it also works
unlike other tradition.

746
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:04,000
So, it's useful because it
allows all the students in the

747
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,400
room to practice at their own
pace, who got kinase doing. 35

748
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,500
pours its for self-directed and
sort of putting people on trying

749
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:15,100
to cram them into one specific
track.

750
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:17,500
It's exactly.
And then the teacher depending

751
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,000
on how they feel can walk around
and say, oh I'm gonna kill you

752
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,100
need to speed up Shelly, you
should slow down, so it's

753
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:26,000
specific Direction.
Ins for personalized yoga

754
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,700
experience.
Even though all the students are

755
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:31,200
practicing the same sequence or
practicing it in completely

756
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,400
unique ways, and it's named
after the city of Mysore,

757
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,100
because it started to be taught
there.

758
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,400
That's where pattabhi jois
established his yoga school.

759
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,400
Because when he came to my store
as a young boys, a 13 year old

760
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,900
boy, he would re encountered his
Guru krishnamacharya who was

761
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:52,800
sort of like a great grandfather
of this whole modern yoga thing

762
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,600
with whole benefit.
Postural thing.

763
00:40:55,900 --> 00:41:00,100
So that's what my sister got put
on the map as the as n.

764
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,400
And n epicenter of yoga
worldwide, rishikesh oil shale

765
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,200
is a great epicenter.
But in the last hundred that's

766
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,800
where the Beatles wrote the
whiteout.

767
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,600
They recorded The White Album
during that time or something

768
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,000
like that.
You know, I can't, I can't

769
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,300
remember which I will, but it's
very important.

770
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,000
You know, the westernization of
yoga.

771
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,400
We shouldn't Overlook it.
Begin.

772
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,000
If they hadn't done that, we
wouldn't be having this

773
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,700
conversation.
That's an interesting point and

774
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:29,700
that was where I wanted to go.
Next is, you know, yoga, it's

775
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:33,800
funny because when I bring it
up, it's I got a little bit of

776
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,100
an eye roll.
There's a lot of skepticism

777
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:39,500
because there used to be the
term soccer mom, there's still a

778
00:41:39,508 --> 00:41:42,000
chance, but now they say, yoga
mom's real Lulu.

779
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:47,200
Lemon is like the big hot brain
or had yoga pants and gratitude

780
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,400
journals.
There's a lot of sort of

781
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:52,900
dismissive talk about it.
So there is definitely a

782
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:56,400
commercialization It's a mixed
blessing.

783
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:02,200
I think because the really
important tenets of it, people

784
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,300
tend to sometimes go in opposite
directions and I do it talked

785
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:08,000
about this on one of your
discussions where it's like

786
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,800
people people get so bogged down
with the mechanics, right.

787
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,000
And they ironically they get
more stretched out when they do

788
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,600
their meditation.
They're like, did I count four

789
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,900
drafts on the way out?
Oh my God, I'm a failure.

790
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:24,000
But they and they lost a whole
language is just too.

791
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:26,900
Almost kind of like the Taoist
nature, which is to just kind of

792
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:28,900
go if the current good stuff
went back.

793
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:31,900
What are your thoughts about
sort of the watering down of the

794
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:35,100
commercialization of yoga - have
you seen that?

795
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:37,400
It's impacted?
Because you've been on this

796
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,500
journey for more than two
decades now.

797
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:43,100
Do you find that who more of
these sort of those cell?

798
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:46,500
See, you ready?
Yogi's, Farish kind of coming in

799
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:49,300
your path as students or or holy
Jesus.

800
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,900
Oh my gosh.
I don't think I ate rare.

801
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:54,300
That's not yes.
The selfie ready yo.

802
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:58,700
His par part of the path of yoga
now, and where is no fee, has

803
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:03,000
become so part, and parcel of
what's happening when people say

804
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:09,200
the word yoga and, yes, 15 years
ago, I used to Rally against

805
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,900
this or 20 years ago.
I was offended by the idea of

806
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:14,600
people taking photos or
promoting themselves, in

807
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,600
commercializing yoga.
Now it's nuanced.

808
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,900
It's easy for me to say, oh, I
think it's getting too

809
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:23,400
commercial.
We need to watch out for it.

810
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,100
That's a big.
Part of me.

811
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:28,300
But also at the same time I've
realized now a lot of my

812
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:32,100
students and mentees.
When they say the word yoga and

813
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:35,100
I say the word yoga were not
necessarily talking about the

814
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:38,100
same thing, there's some.
Oh right, but I've had been

815
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,600
teased, ask me what they should
do with their social media

816
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,100
profile and I'm at a loss.
I don't really put too much

817
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:48,100
stock into that thing.
Like, I had two students come to

818
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:51,300
me, in Hong Kong had said at
different times, and be like,

819
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:53,200
look, I kind of know who you
are.

820
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,700
Kind of know who what you do.
I'm starting out, teaching yoga.

821
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:59,600
Will you Mentor, me?
Can we just have a mental thing?

822
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,300
And I was like, oh, great.
No, let's do this.

823
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:03,200
Yeah, and both of those
students.

824
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,900
In that year, a big question of
there's their Idol carry, like I

825
00:44:06,908 --> 00:44:08,300
understand.
Okay, I'm going to read these

826
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:09,600
books.
I'm going to try these

827
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,800
meditation practices and my next
question is, how should I know

828
00:44:13,808 --> 00:44:16,200
how often should I post on
Instagram?

829
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,600
So what Instagram?
I have no idea, ingredients.

830
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,600
Yeah, I didn't read that chapter
in the abunda shot word.

831
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,300
Actually importantly, talk about
Instagram out.

832
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,600
The rhythms right now, but it's
easy for me to be dismissive of

833
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,600
that.
Sure, your has now I've just had

834
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,200
to accept again, there's nothing
that's not yoga, whatever your

835
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,900
definition is of yoga that
you're working with, and

836
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:41,700
whatever you think are the best
steps on your journey today.

837
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,600
Okay, I'm in full support of
that.

838
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,600
Hopefully, shallot harm.
None, we would hope that this is

839
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,900
doesn't involve punching someone
in the face.

840
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,700
I've learned to be much more
accepting of what people are

841
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:56,300
doing now.
With that said, I've had to

842
00:44:56,300 --> 00:45:00,000
learn to be accepting because
again we came out of a time when

843
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,000
if you are really good at
something you didn't need to

844
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:07,700
publicize and tell everyone how
good you are at it.

845
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:10,200
You just did it right at four
and now we're adding two

846
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,100
completely opposite point in
history where it doesn't matter

847
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:15,400
if you're good at something or
not.

848
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,500
As long as you tell everyone
that, you're good at it.

849
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:21,300
Then a bug, I think the
commercialization of yoga and

850
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,300
commercialization in general is
very, very dangerous.

851
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,300
It's because it relies upon the
idea that you aren't whole.

852
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:32,300
You aren't right, you are valid
right now.

853
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:37,500
But if you did more yoga, if you
had this brand of yoga pants, if

854
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:41,400
you ate this candy, then, okay,
then you'd be happier.

855
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:45,000
You aren't happy enough now.
Well, I think as you clearly

856
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,400
understand the kill that
actually practicing should give

857
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,000
us a greater feeling of self
acceptance self-awareness, then

858
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,600
a feeling that well I'm holding.
Complete and grateful to be

859
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:56,700
alive.
Yeah.

860
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:04,000
What really attracted me to yoga
was just the need for a little

861
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,500
bit more Shaundi in my legs,
just a little more peace because

862
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:12,800
every day as a father, as a
business owner husband, just

863
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,800
inundated with so much, so many
messages, so much, toxic energy.

864
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,700
And as you and I discussed.
And, you know, I was diagnosed

865
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:22,000
with bipolar disorder about
side.

866
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,300
Six years ago had been living
with said, for two decades.

867
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:29,700
And really Need to go beyond
just a cookie cutter Solutions

868
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:31,600
of medication and cognitive
therapy.

869
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,500
And and meditation, really, just
was such a was such a natural

870
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:38,000
sense for me.
So for me, you know, mental

871
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,700
health, I think, is it's a must
you need to just carve out 15 20

872
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:45,100
minutes in the morning or in the
evening.

873
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:47,400
Whatever.
You can't just really just focus

874
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,400
on your breath.
Focus on, just optimizing that

875
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,700
brain-body connection.
So mental health definitely is

876
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:57,100
app is a big or she that
however, it's also visible.

877
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,300
You know, there's a lot of
people we're not saying just

878
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:05,000
chuckle your medications and
stop going your God, general

879
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,300
practitioner of but this can,
this practice can really enhance

880
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:12,500
the effects that you're getting
from a lot of those traditional

881
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:14,800
approach.
It, there was a study done by

882
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,200
the the Chopra Foundation where
they've looked at gene

883
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,500
expression in there is a better
activity, fertile amorites.

884
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:24,800
You know, the enzyme that the
ball didn't want to be

885
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:27,500
anti-aging.
So there's their death Finally

886
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:31,600
some science to that, where
meditation can prove those

887
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,500
benefits to not just mind the
bottom because a sugared fine.

888
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:38,100
I'd love to hear a little bit
more from you about maybe the

889
00:47:38,107 --> 00:47:42,700
benefits that it's offered you
in terms of physical ailments

890
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:46,100
for yourself, but that also for
the students that you've been

891
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:49,400
enough privilege to serve their
amazing question to keloids.

892
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,500
It's so wide open.
I don't want how to how to trim

893
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:54,900
it down.
I mean one thing that I think is

894
00:47:54,908 --> 00:47:59,200
really important that you bring
out there is Nowadays, we have a

895
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,500
lot of these studies in the
technology is able to show us.

896
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:05,700
Like he said, we could look at
the Gene and see, wow, joggers

897
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:08,800
actually meditation and yoga are
actually helping people find a

898
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,000
measurable level.
Now, it's, I mean, that doesn't

899
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,600
validate yoga that validates the
technology that were using

900
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:20,500
because the meditators like you,
for example, you realize, once

901
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:23,400
you realize, you wanted to deal
with, bipolar, when you're

902
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,500
looking at that wear, whatever
you want to call it, meditation

903
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:27,900
room.
Was working.

904
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:31,100
You didn't need a machine to
prove it to you or read some

905
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,600
science today journals, right?
We know that it's working, it's

906
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,800
not, it's not just an illusion,
it's not just the fantasy.

907
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,300
If someone could tell you look,
if you got a one-week holiday,

908
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:45,700
then you get to live another
five years or something.

909
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:48,500
We don't do it right, everyone
else do it.

910
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,300
But what we forget is that, that
choice is with us every day,

911
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:54,600
it's with us.
Every moment we get to choose

912
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,000
how we're living and in might
not be living.

913
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,400
An extra year in terms of
longevity.

914
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,500
But actually living this moment,
you know, ten times as

915
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:08,300
insightful ten times as
appreciate that with the colors

916
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:13,100
and The Taste and enjoying it.
So for me certainly I mean to be

917
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:17,000
totally honest in my 20s I was
exploring all sorts of methods,

918
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,200
including drugs and medicines,
and they'll take you so high.

919
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,400
But then there's a crash, not
again, there's a crash, and you

920
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,700
might have in great insight into
those moments.

921
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:30,400
Whereas once I cleaned up let's
call it animals and there's also

922
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,800
the dependency like you said the
crash but then there's the Bravo

923
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,900
real monkey on where you you're
just not able to function as a

924
00:49:37,908 --> 00:49:41,500
human being just because there's
that there's a hole in you that

925
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:44,500
you have to keep selling, right?
Absolutely.

926
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,900
Whereas with, you know, a Daily
Yoga practice and just like one

927
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:50,400
month, getting better, two
months getting better, you know,

928
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:54,100
every day you're just feeling a
little better and it's not high

929
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:56,700
in the summer illusion.
It's the just how you really

930
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:58,400
are.
Are definitely with me, it's

931
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,900
been an amazing journey.
I don't think there's any

932
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,600
separation between body and
mind.

933
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,300
So zeros, a healthier, our mind
can be the healthier body to be

934
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:11,400
a vice versa.
There they are unified together

935
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,700
and we're at a great moment and
you and your wife are really

936
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:19,200
Pioneers to be able to be on the
sort of a The Cutting Edge or

937
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,900
the cusp of this wave.
Where were saying, look mental

938
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:27,000
health is incredibly important,
like you, it's not, don't worry.

939
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:29,200
About it, don't talk about it,
just get on with your day,

940
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:32,000
that's it.
For the work, they throw that is

941
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,700
gonna catch up with you in a big
way.

942
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,700
So I really celebrate what you
guys are doing as well.

943
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:41,600
And again, I mean, the
technology is catching up with

944
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,900
what we know works.
And you there a big

945
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:48,900
organizations in the US and
worldwide the decide which kinds

946
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:52,300
of therapies are appropriate and
which kinds are so, they might

947
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,700
decide this year old guys.
Yoga Works.

948
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,000
Okay, that's great.
But if they Caught up to that

949
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,700
whatever alternative therapy.
Wouldn't they want to call

950
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:04,100
alternative therapy yoga, for
example, meditation.

951
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:07,300
That's been a primary therapy
for thousands of years.

952
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:12,100
It's not, it's not new age, it's
parents, you'd believe me a lot

953
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,700
of peers or review those.
They decide that it's

954
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:18,100
appropriate and can stop great
if they don't if they haven't

955
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:22,200
given their okay, to whatever
alternative therapies we know

956
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,100
are working.
That's okay to catch up later

957
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,900
because we know what they're
He's allergic to being here in

958
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:31,500
your lifestyle.
I just curious like, maybe like,

959
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,000
if you could talk about, like,
physical pains that you were

960
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,200
suffering from, did you find
that?

961
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,200
As you got more immersed in yoga
that those aches and pave or

962
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:43,800
less and a little bit or man it
is such a journey you know,

963
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,900
never stops and we're evil.
Also in this age of trauma.

964
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:51,900
So when I learned yoga from you
from Jenny and from ads, I

965
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:58,100
learned an amazing practice, but
it did not involve A lot of back

966
00:51:58,100 --> 00:52:01,600
bit.
But I also threw up with a home

967
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,200
situation and Maui Valley.
My beautiful experience is an

968
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,500
amazing institution exacerbated.
This that I'd a home situation

969
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:13,100
that I didn't really want people
to know, for whatever reason.

970
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,600
I had great parents, but my
parents that own situation.

971
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,900
I didn't want people to know.
So I started, I kept some stuff

972
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:25,600
here, I spine of the wrap and
and hidden and I kind of feel

973
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,300
like I hid My heart and I was
not not well versed in

974
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:33,500
vulnerability.
So when I started to learn way

975
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:36,900
later after practicing for 15
years, when I started to learn

976
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:41,600
back bending my posture change.
I'm sure it helped me digestion

977
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,200
and help my self-esteem, it
helped.

978
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:45,500
But it also helped Liz
vulnerability.

979
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:49,400
And this woman had the very
center and at the heart, which

980
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:51,400
deal.
I still a process where I'm

981
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,300
like, looking back into where I
grew up part of what I'm doing

982
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:57,100
here.
And being like, this was my My

983
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:58,800
own situation.
Nothing.

984
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,800
I have to hide.
It doesn't, it's not a secret.

985
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,500
It's out of place of shame.
I really think the physical

986
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:08,900
ability to do back bending, but
the simple physical technique

987
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:13,700
helped us really approach and
understand and sort of D

988
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:17,100
structures some vulnerability
issues that I had and to carry

989
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:19,300
with me.
My whole life events.

990
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:24,200
Like you're inspiring journey to
be midlife successful career,

991
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:26,900
successful, marriage, great
kids.

992
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:30,900
I realized, wait a minute.
I have been ignoring for

993
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:33,900
decades.
A serious condition has been

994
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:37,700
going on by, let me be in my
mid-40s and go.

995
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,000
Okay, I've got bipolar and let
me be in my mid-40s be like,

996
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,600
wow, I have huge vulnerability
issues that I can see their

997
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,700
route.
So that journey I think is so

998
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:51,500
immensely useful more than yeah
it can be great.

999
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:53,900
It is certainly having that
posture I think it's improved.

1000
00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:56,900
A lot of spinal conditions and
made more healthy.

1001
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,800
A physical arrangement for me,
but it's a bit more healthy

1002
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,500
psychological, emotional life,
style arrangement for me as

1003
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:05,000
well.
Yeah.

1004
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,000
What about your students?
Like, what are obviously there's

1005
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,200
no one profile obviously.
That's probably so diverse.

1006
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,400
Probably every every Hue of the
spectrum of human beings but

1007
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,700
just curious, if there are some
success stories you can point to

1008
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:22,000
because it's got to be so
rewarding when people come to

1009
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,900
you your shall free from
rheumatoid.

1010
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:26,900
Arthritis, are there suffering
from anxiety?

1011
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,200
80s in no particular order but
like gives you can talk about

1012
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,600
maybe a success story of
somebody who came to you with a

1013
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,700
sermon ailment of love to love
to hear some of the Dylan's

1014
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:39,300
grated.
Don't Greatest Hits I guess you

1015
00:54:39,308 --> 00:54:42,400
could say.
Yeah I certainly I certainly get

1016
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,600
a fair number of addicts who are
trying for whatever reason we

1017
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,500
connect so I'm definitely
recovering myself so I'm like

1018
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:51,700
okay cool.
This is this is my hoarder.

1019
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:55,700
I can kind of speak to this and
so I see great success with

1020
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:58,700
people being able to add further
first, kind of sobbing, I'm

1021
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:00,300
addiction.
I mean, instead of be like, just

1022
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:02,600
sitting at home with Devils the
devil's.

1023
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,000
Playthings Idle.
Hands to be like, okay, get on

1024
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,900
the Mad do this thing.
Wow, I feel better.

1025
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:10,200
Yeah, come back tomorrow, you're
going to feel even better.

1026
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,500
That's been great.
And tied with what I just

1027
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:15,900
shared, I remember one.
Wonderful student coming to me

1028
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:18,900
in Hong Kong and sang.
I love all the yoga stuff.

1029
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:22,200
It's all working really well,
but I trust that you have good

1030
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,800
insight and she said, I don't
feel loved.

1031
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:31,300
I've never really had a romantic
loving relationship.

1032
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:36,400
I don't feel that I have the
capacity to do that and I mean,

1033
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,200
wow, you know, that is a huge
thing to work on, so I took my

1034
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,300
best shot at it.
I think a lot of it is US

1035
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:46,000
trusting ourselves to and
knowing what K I've been doing

1036
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,200
the homework.
I've been studying, researching

1037
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,100
practicing and I said, I have no
guarantees for this.

1038
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:54,100
But what if you try some
techniques and try some singing,

1039
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,800
some Mantra I was busy that I
was teaching.

1040
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000
Hundreds and hundreds of
students every day.

1041
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,000
So she would come with Klaus and
we check in a little bit, but

1042
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,400
then maybe six months later,
less than a year later, she came

1043
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,600
back with the smile paint and I
was like, hey how are you doing,

1044
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:09,500
Shirley?
How you doing?

1045
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,600
And she was like, I really want
to thank you.

1046
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:15,800
It's worked and within less than
a year.

1047
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,500
Sure.
Her whole outlook on the

1048
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:21,300
universe and change and she'd
met someone I have no idea.

1049
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:24,200
Was it was thanks to my
wonderful insights or is it was

1050
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,800
just tell, right?
When she's ready but she really

1051
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,600
We able to change what she
considered life and who she

1052
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,000
considered herself.
So, all sorts of healing is

1053
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,900
possible as you know, cancer?
Healing is possible, trauma,

1054
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:38,900
healing.
It's possible.

1055
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:41,900
It's all possible.
We have to experiment the

1056
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:45,300
modalities of work.
Yeah, but I mean, mental health

1057
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:48,300
is definitely sort of like the
center of all this, but our

1058
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:51,000
journey, especially with Shelly.
And I talked to you about this

1059
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,400
before is just sort of helping
me, get on the right track and

1060
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,800
essentially, helping save my
life is what?

1061
00:56:56,900 --> 00:57:00,700
Inspire her to want G of star,
which is though Global Institute

1062
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:02,400
of stem cell therapy and
research.

1063
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:05,300
It's really at the end of the
day, it's about holding your

1064
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:08,100
health.
It's about not just believing

1065
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:11,100
all these messages that are that
are thrown at you.

1066
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:15,000
All these drug commercials.
All these, yes, research is very

1067
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,000
important to breathe full
circle, Chuck, D of Public

1068
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,600
Enemy, don't believe the height,
right, eight stitches, really

1069
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,600
important in that extends into
yoga that extends to just taking

1070
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,900
care of your mental well-being,
not Not just getting into this.

1071
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:32,400
That becoming a robot where
you're just following these

1072
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,000
directions of Spuds.
What the best were won't best

1073
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,500
practices, are, what would you
say to someone?

1074
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:41,400
I mean, if they hear this and
they're like, really want to get

1075
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,600
into yoga and me.
How would you, how would you

1076
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,000
counsel then?
In terms of not only getting on

1077
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,300
that proverbial first step of
the thousand-mile journey?

1078
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:51,900
I mean, first of all, don't
worry about it.

1079
00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:56,100
Forget about this idea that yoga
is for some people, not for you.

1080
00:57:56,900 --> 00:57:58,800
Slowly, not yoga is for
everyone.

1081
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,200
Regardless of what you seeing.
Again we have weren't formed by

1082
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,400
commercials like you said about
the drug companies.

1083
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,900
Everyone has a reason their
motive for putting forth.

1084
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:09,600
Those messages doing yoga is for
you.

1085
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,600
Absolutely.
And what you really want to do

1086
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,400
back to how we began this
conversation, and how we began

1087
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,000
our connection 30 years ago,
more than 30 years ago.

1088
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,200
You want to find a good teacher.
Then what's a good teacher?

1089
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,000
Is it the most famous teacher,
is it to the teacher, or your

1090
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,000
neighbor said it?
A teacher, maybe, maybe who's

1091
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,700
going to tell you that you are.
So that's what matters.

1092
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:35,600
A good teacher, is a good
teacher for you.

1093
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,600
He got to trust your experience.
Go see who's local.

1094
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:41,600
Go see who's available and
nowadays, that's includes being

1095
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,800
available online and find it.
Find someone you can practice

1096
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,000
with and see how it works.
See how it feels.

1097
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,900
Do they hear you?
Do they see you?

1098
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,000
Do they respect you and
recognize you what you're going

1099
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,900
through and then you know, they
don't need to be a perfect

1100
00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:58,300
teacher.
And there are lots of good

1101
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:01,200
teachers, then when you find
that, keep going with it.

1102
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:04,800
Keep going there.
Well, I think the best thing

1103
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,700
that anyone could do, would be
to forget everything that I've

1104
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,200
ever heard about yoga, find a
decent teacher.

1105
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,400
Someone who's good enough, who
can see them, who can recognize

1106
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,400
them as an individual and begin
practice.

1107
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,000
Continuing forward with that,
they'll discover.

1108
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,000
What's true?
What's important and what's up

1109
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,500
their highest benefit for them?
As a unique individual.

1110
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:28,200
I did want to During formation
of.

1111
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,500
So you're at still, listen,
action.com your Instagram.

1112
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:35,700
You're on mr.
Dillon, Yol and then do in yo,

1113
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:39,500
at gmail.com social ride,
probably the best ways able to

1114
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:42,900
get can all looked for this
German, you are teaching of our

1115
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:45,200
stronger.
You're actually do and I want

1116
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,200
the new brought up in the
recorded, but I wanted to give a

1117
00:59:49,207 --> 00:59:52,300
shout out there.
Thanks, it's such a Grace.

1118
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:54,400
And being here.
Yeah, do is lazing.

1119
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,100
Hopefully, you'll get a chance
to meet her.

1120
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:59,900
Next time you're coming through
to lead doing will be teaching

1121
00:59:59,900 --> 01:00:03,800
at this workshop at this Yoga
Center Ashtanga, Yoga to Leo.

1122
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,500
Yeah, I think that's cool
because it gives --and we have

1123
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:09,200
some of our crew and Toledo who
check us out because it's

1124
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,400
honest.
Both of us, we talked about

1125
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,600
Toledo, get during these things.
So, yeah, I'm here that aren't

1126
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,200
in July, and then now he's
always here, holding down the

1127
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,500
space, and then giving people
inside to the great teacher to

1128
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:25,000
practice Roots, here in Toledo.
So it's yeah, excellent.

1129
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,200
They also are share, Dog.
Whisperer Please.

1130
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,300
Oh no my man but thank you very
much for your journey.

1131
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:31,300
I appreciate it.
Thank you.

1132
01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:33,600
I really appreciate the talk
about today at very inspiring

1133
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,000
for me.
Hopefully it works for other

1134
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,600
people as well.
Yeah likewise it's always a

1135
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,300
pleasure to talk to you don't.
Thank you thank you very much.

1136
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:44,400
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening and

1137
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,500
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1138
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:49,700
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1139
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:53,400
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1140
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,800
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1141
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1142
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:02,300
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1143
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:05,100
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1144
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,100
Thanks.
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1145
01:01:08,100 --> 01:00:44,400
stay untethered.
Thanks so much for listening and

1146
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,500
I hope you enjoyed that episode
four more of these types of

1147
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:49,700
conversations.
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1148
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:53,400
your life that Co you can also
find us on Instagram and

1149
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,800
untether your life, as well as
on Apple Spotify and other

1150
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,300
platforms by searching for
untether, your life.

1151
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:02,300
And if you did enjoy this
episode, please leave us a

1152
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:05,100
review or share it with someone
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1153
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,100
Thanks.
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1154
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:09,300
stay untethered.