101: Freeman Fung - Travel for Transformation, Identity, and Intention

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Where in my life am I still
chasing growth instead of

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allowing it?
How is culture, money, or

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success shaped my identity?
And which of those stories am I

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ready to question?
And quick question for you, what

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if the place that changes you
most isn't on your bucket list?

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Stay tuned as we touch on these
and many other topics on this

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week's episode of Untether Your
Life.

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Welcome to Untether Your Life, a
show that empowers you to break

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free of templates related to
career, relationships and

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managing mental and physical
health, and looks at key issues

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impacting the South Asian
diaspora.

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I am your host, Nikhil Torzakar,
and I'm passionate about the

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power of conversation to
catalyze change.

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Some conversations don't change,
they Orient.

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This is one of those
conversations.

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IN2023I sat down with Freeman
Fung, author of Travel to

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Transform, for a conversation
that began with travel and

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quickly moved into deeper
territory.

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Identity, health, money,
community, and the quiet

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templates we inherit about how
life is supposed to work.

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I'm resurfacing this episode now
for very present reasons.

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My son is currently sailing
around the world through the

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Class of Float program, and I'm
watching in real time how

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immersive travel can
fundamentally reshape how

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someone sees themselves and
their place in the world.

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This past fall, my own travel
through France, Spain, Germany,

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and Portugal was in service of
helping him get situated in

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position for that journey.
And along the way, I found

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myself nerding out on Duolingo
and jump speak, trying out a

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couple different languages and
reminding myself how learning

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even a few words can instantly
change the quality of

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connection.
That's what this conversation is

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about.
Not travel as escape, but as

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engagement.
Not movement for its own sake,

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but as a way to untether from
inherited templates and live

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with more intention.
It got me.

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So sorry, I mean.
And with that, let's get

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untethered.
So, so Freeman, again, great to

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have you on the show.
Is there anything else you want

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to add beyond what I had just
shared?

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Yeah, No, thanks for reminding
me sometimes to know my

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experience of this live as well.
And it's incredible because you

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and I, we kind of met through
this platform on my valley,

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right, the world's biggest self
grow platform.

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We speak about how beautiful the
community has been connecting us

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because possibly I wouldn't
otherwise know your platform

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about giving this space to South
Asians to share their story and

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to empower each other.
I absolutely love it.

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You know that's right on my gem.
Yeah, obviously we will get into

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Mindvalley in a little bit
because it's been such an

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integral part of my journey, my
growth story.

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But before we go there, I did
want to ask you a question.

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Is LASIK Joe fan May?
Wow, Lasik Joe fan, May I?

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See Joe Fan May.
That's impressive.

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Yeah.
For the audience, that means

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have.
Yeah.

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Have you eaten rice yet?
Yeah, yeah.

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I was just going to say if you
can tell me a little bit more

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about what that means because I
think, you know, it was one of

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the many Nuggets in your book
that I picked up on.

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But yeah, tell me about that
phrase.

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And for the people who are
wondering what I just said, what

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it literally means and, and
actually, you know the

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significance, love to hear more
about it.

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So it's literally mean.
Have you eaten rice yet?

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So I'm originally from Hong Kong
and I speak Cantonese and this

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has been a really big part in
our cultures.

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It's almost like a greetings in
English saying, how are you?

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And obviously, you know, in the
Western world, you know, we we

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all say, how are you today?
And, you know, we have different

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ways to connect with each other
when we are trying to open a

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conversation for us in a
Cantonese context.

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We love to ask people, have you
eaten today or, you know, have

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you eaten rice for the contest?
Because for thousands years of

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history in, in the Chinese
contest, actually, whether you

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can, whether you have Italian
rice yet, it's a foundational

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question of how you're feeling
that day or how you're feeling

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that way, because whether you
have enough food is about

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survival.
And as you may know, you know,

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also in in Asia, that's a big
agricultural context as well.

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So if you think about it that
way, actually makes perfect

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sense that you are asking about
another person's well-being and

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their state of being in a
cultural way.

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And the importancy of that is
there are also so many different

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other ways, you know, in
different culture, like in

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India, right?
So that's the reason I wrote

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about my book because that was
the chapter about for me

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travelling to India for the
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And you know what I learned
there is the greeting faith,

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Namaste.
And it's such a beautiful ways

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because it literally means I bow
to you.

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But it's not just the physical
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It means I am acknowledged at
the soul level, the defined in

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you, the definity in you and,
and whether you are religious or

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not, it doesn't matter because
it is a way to see the culture

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and that's a beautiful aspect of
the people acknowledging

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different dimension of the other
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So kudos to you.
And I'm just saying as well,

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when you are attempting to say a
phrase coming out from your

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heart.
And even though I'm sure you

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don't ask your children or your
family whether you have eaten

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rice as often as I do with my
family, but you having this

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attempt to wanting to try to say
this phrase to another person.

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This has been something I've
learned throughout my decades of

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trouble.
It's the fact that when you hear

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somebody try to speak in a
different language that they

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don't otherwise speak, you are
connecting with the other person

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by subconsciously letting them
know I want to connect with you.

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And that's no better feeling
other than that because you are

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seen.
You're being seen.

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And this person is trying to go
through something that even

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though they don't have that
ability, that language ability,

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they are wanting to connect with
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So that is a beautiful way of
expressing human connections.

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And I love how you're bringing
this.

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Figure let's we got to start off
on the right foot because

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there's that saying, you know,
you never get a second chance to

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make a first impression.
And so I think you've made a

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great point that when you come
to the table and you're really

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trying to you're, you're showing
compassion, you're showing

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empathy and you're showing a
desire to really connect, not

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just take a transactional
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Like, OK, you know, I've got an
hour, I've got this guy in

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Australia, I'm going to record
the podcast and I got to get

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dinner ready.
You know, no, I'm like, this is

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a connection we're making, not
just between us, but this is

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something that it's about
leaving a legacy.

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It's about what Nuggets, what
takeaways can a listener come

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away from this conversation
with?

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But the other thing and and I
think that it makes for a better

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conversation.
But the other thing, and I'm

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sure you're aware of this, is
the concept of neuroplasticity,

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because when you're learning a
different language, when you're

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learning how to play the piano,
they've done studies where they

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look at like cortical thickness
and they've done studies on

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cognitive function and people's
brain function improves.

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So that's, I've always been a
big proponent.

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I haven't travelled to as many
countries as you.

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My passport is not as thick and
and colorful as yours perhaps.

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But I definitely think that when
I go to a different country or

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meet someone from a different
culture, definitely try to, as

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they say, meet them where they
are.

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But but yeah, I know we took a
little tangent there, but I did

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want to bring it back to the
book.

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Tell me a little bit more about
it, Freeman, because I love the

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title Travel to Transform.
And I do think for anyone who's

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listening, I would say just drop
what you're doing and go out and

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buy it because there are books
that are self help.

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There are books that are
autobiographical, but there's

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really few, I think, that
managed to strike that balance

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between the two where it's just
this laundry list of, you know,

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and then I went to the Eiffel
Tower and then I went to this

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and blah, blah blah.
Before it's like, you know, just

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throwing up on the reader about
different self help mantras.

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I think the thing I love about
the book, Freeman, is just that

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you're sharing a part of your
soul, so to speak.

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But then you're also kind of
giving the reader, I would say

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it's almost like a cookbook, you
know, about how they can

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transform their life through
travel.

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But yeah, I turn it over to you
and just tell us more about the

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book.
First of all, you are absolutely

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right.
There are thousands of travel

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guidebooks out there, right?
And then they are preparing us

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for overseas trips, right?
So they prepare us to be amazing

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tourists.
But none of those talk about the

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day-to-day mindset, the
day-to-day global mindset, I

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should say.
So they are not preparing us to

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be a world citizen.
At the same time, there are also

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thousands of self help book out
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But very few focus on
travelling.

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But we live in a modern world
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People don't realize actually
travelling is the ultimate fast

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track to personal growth in the
world today.

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And also the fact that there are
also thousands of textbooks out

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there on globalization, on
cultural studies.

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But the truth is people are not
lacking of academic training.

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They need awakenings.
Travel to transform is a

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transformation from within
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I grew up in Hong Kong for the
1st 19 years of my life and I

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came from a background where I
have this one of the most

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competitive societies, one of
the most difficult public exams

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in the world, one of the most
suffocated skyscraper cities

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where things are always going on
the go. 24/7 nonstop, fast paid,

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financial driven city.
So I feel in a place like that

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and you know, I've been trained
really well by my families and

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my friends and my schools to be
academic outstanding, sure, but

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I was never happy.
And my, my life only start to

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have this new sense of finding
that purpose when I first

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travelled solo.
So when I was 19 years old, I I

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started university at that time
and I got the opportunity to go

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through a platform called Isaac,
which is a international

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exchange platform where young
people, they get to travel to

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different countries and do
volunteer work.

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And I got to went to Romania,
which sounds very random, but it

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turns out to become one of my
best summer, even though it was

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the first time going out solo by
myself, thousands miles from

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home.
And I didn't even know where

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Romania was, to be honest.
I was just for, oh, I'm going to

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Europe.
That's amazing.

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Like, you know that is it cool?
Wait, that's.

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The same there's just one
language, right?

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They all speak, they all speak
European over there, right?

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Exactly.
European, this language, it must

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be it, right?
They've asked each other about.

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Have you eaten rice today?
Yeah, right.

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Have you eaten croissants today?
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That was how naive I was back in
the day.

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But that trip that summer
actually moved me into a

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different paradigm because I was
living with 40 other volunteers

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from 16 different countries.
And I start to realize one

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thing, you know, everyone is so
different.

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Everyone is so unique.
And maybe, just maybe, I'm not

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here to be the same as other
people.

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Maybe I'm not here to climb the
same Ledger, to study the same

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degree to be successful.
Quote, UN quote in life, which

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is to get the house, to get the
car, to get all these things

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right.
Maybe I'm designed in a

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different way where I can
achieve a different purpose for

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myself as well.
So that was the first time I

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embraced the power of diversity
through living with this group

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of people.
And I think like speaking here,

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like most people would thought,
Oh yeah, that's how you become

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the traveller you are today.
You know, then you start

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travelling another 10 years.
Life must be amazing, but no,

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it's not true.
Because you see, when we are

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travelling solo around the
world, it always looks dazzling

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to my friends and it feels like
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with their current mundane life.
But the truth is, cultivating an

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international life is a process.
It's not an overnight

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occurrence.
Me myself, I had to step in

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shit.
I face racial prejudice as well.

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I fuck up from time to time.
I just learned how to stand back

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out and continue my global
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version of myself holistically
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So what happened after Romania
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can travel, so I start studying
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I went on backpacking and then I
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my masters as well.
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to start an international career
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company in marketing.
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relocating.
I live in Singapore.

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I moved back to London.
I went on the road, which allows

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me to travel 14 months, strikes
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And I love it.
And I was young and I want to

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see the world.
I was eager to do that.

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But you see, I was still in
this, as you say, template,

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right?
As you say the show.

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I'm still eating in this
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I was still living in this
paradigm where I have to chase

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my success.
I have to chase my next

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promotion.
I have to climb that, and only

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until I reach certain point, I
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And guess what?
I spent all those years chasing

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my next promotion, moving to my
next country, hoping the next

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place going to give me that
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And it never happened.
And even though it looks

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dazzling on social media, to my
friends, my peers back home, to

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feel like I'm living a life that
they could only dream of, I was

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never happy deep down.
And then December 2019, I moved

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from Singapore to Sydney, where
I'm living now, and it was a

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time where Australian Bush fire
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And that was a big hit to me and
my career because I was

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launching a product expressive
into the view, but everything

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was just orange.
You can't even breathe properly

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when I was on the streets.
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of Sydney, that I gave up
everything I had in Singapore,

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the luxury, the panels, I was
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Singapore.
And then I gave it up to come to

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Sydney to see this place and for
this, and then COVID lockdown

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happened.
Yeah, quite the timing there.

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Freeman in the butt, right?
Perfect timing.

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Crazy.
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And that just put me into a dark
mental space corner when I was

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sleeping in a tiny studio by
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My health broke down, my spirit
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I was identified by by medical
doctors say I have CFS as well.

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Chronic phatic syndrome I had
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I couldn't think properly, I
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and I'm so afraid I will lose my
job because I just got my visa

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here.
I just relocated here and I was

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in that painful state of not
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I couldn't travel and I'm a DJ
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I couldn't play any gigs.
So I broke down mind, body and

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spirit in every way.
And that was the time where I

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really took a different level
responsibility travel to

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transplant the transformation
from within and what I call to

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travel inwards.
Because you see, there's this

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beautiful outside world where we
can travel and venture into and

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we can explore the beautiful
world out there, the mountains,

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the lake, the landmarks, tourist
landmarks and try different

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local scenes.
But at the same time, you see

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there's this beautiful inner
world as well where we can

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travel to the depths of our
mind, body and spirit.

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And when this is true, well call
lies.

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The overlapping part is what I
call travel to transform because

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that is the ultimate fast track
for our personal growth and to

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achieve self mastery.
And that has become the core

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message for what I'm sharing
because today, as you would know

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me, as you have speak about my
list of accolades as well.

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Today I'm a joyful, free, happy
human being.

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And I'm empowering more to be
the same.

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I'm empowering more global
citizens to step into this space

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to live a holistic, well centric
life because we can all live an

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authentic life where we step
into our true identity, where we

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are meant to live in this world.
Not that template we're given by

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our society, not that template
we're given by our family.

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The true purpose that why we are
here and how we can enjoy this

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life to be experiencing all the
world could offer to us in a

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conscious way.
And that has in my whole message

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from my book Travel to
Transform.

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And like you said, I also share
it in a few personal stories as

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well because I don't believe you
can write a self help book or

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how to guide.
You can't write something to

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have a step by step and hand it
out to someone else and believe

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in somebody following these
steps can expect their life to

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turn out in the same way.
No, I truly believe our path are

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so unique.
I truly believe we all have our

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journey.
We all have different skin

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colour.
We all have different eye

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colour.
We all have different passions,

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different hobbies, different
occupation, different skill sets

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and how we are crafting that
path, that journey for our own

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self is the art and science
behind trouble to transform.

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You hit it on the head there,
Freeman, because there is no

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one-size-fits-all approach to
fulfillment, to making it up

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beyond the self actualization to
as you talk about, you know,

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self transcendence going up the
Maslow's hierarchy.

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What success looks like in one
culture is completely different

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for another one.
You talk about in the in the

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book about karoshi in Japan and
in a lot of the Asian cultures

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where there is such an emphasis
on success, where a lot of times

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people get to the top of the
mountain and they look around

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and their health is shot,
They're working on their third

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divorce, whatever, whatever side
effects come with that, quote UN

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quote, making it sometimes it's
like they then they look back

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and wonder, you know, was it
worth it?

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And I think it's so important,
Freeman, that we are hearing

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from folks like yourself.
I think the cultural aspect is

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so important because so many
people in our demographic have

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quote, UN quote, made it to the
top of the food chain.

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But there's not a lot of talk
about how they got there, you

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know, and the triumphs and the
travails, you know, all the

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scars, so to speak, that that
went into that transformation

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journey.
My big applause and gratitude to

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you for being so raw and being
so vulnerable in this book.

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So one other thing, Freeman, I
did want to touch on you, you

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know, obviously, I think how how
many countries are you up to

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now?
Is it 3536?

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Yeah. 35 is still counting for
decades now, yeah.

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Because one of the countries
that you talk about in there is

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India obviously.
So I don't, as I mentioned

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before, I don't have as many
stamps in my passport as you

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might, but I have been to India
and I obviously have a different

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lens on it.
But I'm always fascinated to

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hear about non natives who have
gone to India.

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If you could share a little bit
about your your journey to India

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and what's your take away from
that was?

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So that was a trip I believe is
back in 2016.

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So it was the first time I went
to India and the one of the

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biggest reasons.
So my trip has kind of two

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parts.
My first part is to visit my

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friends there in Chennai.
So my friend Darshan and the

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couple of other amazing people.
So it was a great time to have

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that trip to meet my friends.
And, you know, when we're in

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Chennai, like obviously there
are a lot of culture shocks.

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That's right for me, like, you
know, dancing in taboo style.

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And, you know, it's eating a lot
of chili food.

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And there's really no traffic
lights, you know, and different

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traffic.
I've ever been just hiding one

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away.
And then I was very chaotic.

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Is this is Lord I'm to describe
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Yeah, for sure.
And it's so interesting.

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It's the first time I saw that,
and I was riding on the bike

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behind my friend, and I thought
I'm gonna die like every other

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second when we had a term.
But, you know, I'm still here.

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So there are a lot of amazing,
you know, cultural shocks and,

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you know, seeing the backwater
and Killara in the South and,

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you know, all this beautiful
nature as well.

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So that was kind of like the
first part of the trip, you

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know, really embracing myself
into that colorful and diverse

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culture in India.
You know, they have so many

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different religious and language
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And that's something I couldn't
even easily comprehend before.

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Like you say, it's all about
cultural diversity.

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I see unity in diversity as
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And you know, we can talk about
about this more later, but back

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to the story.
So my second part of that

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journey is to go to Mumbai as
well, because I really, really

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wanted to see the slump.
And I, I really want to see

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through my own eyes because you
know, you probably watch a movie

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like Slumdog Millionaire and see
a lot of documentaries.

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And I think The thing is
sometimes when we are watching

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it through the screen, you know
it, there is always a filter

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behind, right?
That's editing behind.

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The best way to experience the
world is still to go travel and

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see for yourself because.
What people write about or what

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people perceive is not the same
of your own perception with your

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own consciousness.
When I was in Mumbai, I, I

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remember I tow a taxi because I
think we were quite tired like

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me and my two other Hong Kong
friends.

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And we will just want to go to
the, the hotel to check in and

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we went on the taxi and then it
goes all the way to downtown.

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It's and so fascinating because
I remember on the on the taxi,

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right, I see this beautiful the
Bay at Mumbai and you see the

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skyscraper is along the Bay and
a few minutes later we drive

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into some kind of like whole
area was just great with, you

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know, rocks on the road and you
know, like, you know, spumpy and

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then the other and the other
minute then we are in downtown

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and I remember asking this taxi
driver, Wow, this building looks

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so cool.
How come there's only one

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building out of all this
building looks like that.

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So it's like the taxi driver
call always called the Antenlia

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building.
It's a mansion.

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It's not an office.
Antenlia.

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What's that?
So he was a very famous richest

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guy, richest guy in Mumbai, the
billionaire.

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And I was like, wow, that's
incredible.

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So he owned this whole building
and he's like, yes, yes, Sir,

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Everyone knows.
I think like 27th floors with a

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helicopter Paddy on the top
swimming pool.

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Thousands of people work for him
was like, wow, that's

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incredible.
So a rich guy live there.

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So he wasn't joking because when
I Google, when I did my

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research, that antenna building
is actually estimate to, to

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worth like $2 billion or
something.

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So, so then like, you know, we,
we checked in the hotel and

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then, you know, like that hits
me a lot and then, you know, we

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went in the slum as well.
I know we took the train and you

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know, and I remember I was just
looking through outside the

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train station because there was
a platform where you can see

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this area and it's hard to put
it in into words because it's

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just Gray, right?
It's like there's also the iron

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rooftop as well.
And it just rocks and and you

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know, my heart kind of not
pumping, but you know, I feel a

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little bit that energy.
It's like depressing.

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Again, this is only my
perception and I would encourage

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you to see for you yourself.
But for me, as I get off the

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station and then, you know, me
and my friends will start

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walking in.
I remember it was just full of

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dust, broken brakes and sand.
And the only colors I saw was

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the the clothes hanging outside
the two-story houses and nothing

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more than the corrugated iron
sheets as a roof and garbage and

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plaster and rust will just.
Be I think there are is one of

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the most impoverished parts of
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What's amazing is literally
like, you go not even like 2

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blocks, three blocks and you're,
as you said, like the one of the

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richest people in the world.
The contrast is pretty stark.

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It's pretty yarring, you know.
Exactly.

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And I remember the kids they're
because we are aliens, right to

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them.
I guess I didn't want to join

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intuitive, by the way, for the
listeners, because I want to

452
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,040
feel it authentically.
I don't want people to find out

453
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,920
to me.
I want to see it through myself

454
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,080
and my camera.
I'm a photographer, a travel

455
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,080
photographer as well, so I love
to capture moments through my

456
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,720
own lens.
And I remember the kids coming

457
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,480
to us and say asking us money,
food, and they're just staring

458
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,760
at us.
And naturally my like, you know,

459
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,320
she, she is just like very
compassionate lady.

460
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,520
And she wanted to give them
money and food.

461
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,560
But then we have to stop her
because we recall when we are in

462
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,840
Mumbai, Dasha and my friend told
us, right?

463
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,880
He said, don't give them
anything, no matter how pity or

464
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,960
compassion you feel, because
there's a whole sum of people

465
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,000
and what they call in India, the
instant crowd, they're going to

466
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,920
flood to you, right?
And won't have enough to give

467
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,360
everybody and anything could
happen at that point.

468
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,600
So we kind of show our head and,
you know, like I, I feel really

469
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,520
bad inside.
I feel a little bit powerless

470
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,600
and guilty as well because like,
yeah, obviously we look so rich

471
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,200
and I have my camera, we have
food with money, but you know,

472
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,160
we can't help because, you know,
that's not the way.

473
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,960
But then we get to go to the
platform as well, which is

474
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,840
around near the place called
Dolby Go, which is, I believe,

475
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,160
the place where you can see the
whole panorama of the whole

476
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,040
slum.
And the most, the most ironic

477
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:32,040
thing for me to see there is
that I saw the antenna building

478
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,080
again is right at the back in
that background.

479
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,120
And there are more skyscrapers
coming up with construction as

480
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,240
well, luxury building.
And in front of me, it's just

481
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,200
this laundry mat and this slum.
I feel shocked looking at this

482
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,200
because when I went to India, I,
I really wanted to ask, you

483
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,200
know, to, to, to maybe ask for
like a spiritual experience.

484
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,920
But what I asked for become such
ugliness as I call because

485
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,320
because poverty and inequality
all of a sudden become more than

486
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,280
worse to me.
They stung, they stung, they

487
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,120
really stung.
They reminded myself I had only

488
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,480
witnessed this one slump in
India.

489
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,640
But what about the children in
Africa, right?

490
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,880
What about the refugees in
Syria?

491
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,440
And the fact is right even that
remind myself when I was back in

492
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,480
Hong Kong.
We have the the most highest

493
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,360
number of tycoons and richest
people in Hong Kong living in

494
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:27,280
the Victoria Peak and seeing all
the beautiful scenery of the

495
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,240
Victoria Harbour of Hong Kong.
And people like us in the rap

496
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,720
race would never been able to
get in the talk.

497
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,040
But I told myself, maybe I work
hard enough.

498
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,800
Maybe I could get good grade A
in the exams.

499
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,840
Maybe I get a a better job and
climb the letter one day I can

500
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,480
get there.
But in the slum, it's not even

501
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,040
about how hard work you can be.
It's just almost like.

502
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,480
Just about getting the next
meal.

503
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,440
Yeah, just yeah, exactly.
By seeing the ugliness as, as

504
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,680
the famous quote says, right,
travel is the only thing you buy

505
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,640
that makes you richer.
I actually believe in this

506
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,840
because when you are going out
there and reframing your

507
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,680
relationship with how you
understand, the place for me in

508
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,680
this trip is money.
This trip reframe my personal

509
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,320
relationship with my finance
because what I believe is money

510
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,800
will only make you of what you
already are.

511
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,480
That's our record.
What is our record, right?

512
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,000
Yeah.
It is.

513
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,800
It is.
It's a half, Yeah.

514
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,160
I believe the book is The
Secrets of the Million, Million,

515
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Million, because what that means
is.

516
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,080
So for the listener, what that
means is if you allow yourself

517
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,960
to have this understanding of
money is neutral, then what that

518
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,760
means is if somebody is a jerk,
that money will only amplify

519
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,720
their cruelty.
But if somebody is generous,

520
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,080
that would only amplify their
love and their abundance to

521
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,000
wanting to share more.
And the reason I'm sharing this

522
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,400
is because what I have learned
from this trip.

523
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,880
So later on, when I was really
having this deep reflection, I

524
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,120
realized from a cultural
perspective, the more monetary

525
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,360
system wasn't really created
equal because the capitalist

526
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:11,160
system, it's a system in place
long ago where most governments

527
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,640
nowadays and also banks, they
still follow so that they can

528
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,520
keep the world running.
Capitalism and many other

529
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,840
different system keeps the
economy from not falling apart.

530
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,160
But at the same time, remember
when it was first built, it was

531
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,600
built on inequality of class,
inequality of race, inequality

532
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,560
of gender.
And how far had this system got

533
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,960
us to today?
In fact, in in my book, I have

534
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,840
list even more statistics for
you as well.

535
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,720
And as soon as I recall over
time, right, I think I believe

536
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,720
in the last 40 years, the
richest 1% of the people have

537
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,800
controlled more than doubling
the well of the entire bottom

538
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,680
half of our global population.
Let that sink in.

539
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:57,360
It is a pure fantasy to believe
that our monetary system is

540
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:02,800
everyone and it is a template
again, that if we work hard, we

541
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,720
will get somewhere successful,
quote UN quote, and then we are

542
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,880
going to save the world somehow.
No.

543
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,520
So think about it in this way.
On one hand, we have all this

544
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,680
advanced technology,
technological breakthrough,

545
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,760
robotics, 5 GS, AI today, right,
ChatGPT, renewable energy.

546
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,560
But on the other, we are letting
all this powerless children die

547
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,640
every other, I do not know, 5
seconds according to the Global

548
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,240
Wealth Report, and we are
letting them die every 5 seconds

549
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,000
due to property.
Human beings really an advanced

550
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,120
species or are we just
primitive?

551
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,040
So that was what I've gotten.
I was the biggest from my trip

552
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,040
to India.
It was that first hand

553
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,680
experience walking into the slum
myself and being able to feel

554
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:54,640
the powerless also in me to see
how big that gap is, to see how

555
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,560
I can reframe my understanding
with finance and the fact that

556
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,520
money is not going to solve
poverty.

557
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,520
But the solution is already
here.

558
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,680
The solution is called human
consciousness.

559
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,640
Because by raising our
collective consciousness

560
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,320
together to realize you and I
are just human being and you and

561
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,080
I are just citizen of the world.
There's no difference.

562
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,840
There's no different behind.
By having this understanding of

563
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:24,200
human consciousness, then we can
start raising our awareness of

564
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,480
how we could help all these
people.

565
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,280
Because if when we are in
survival mode, when we are still

566
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,760
caring about our own career,
paying our bill, fixing the

567
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,360
relationship that have been
broken in our personal life, all

568
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,440
these things right?
The painting and ring, the

569
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,200
e-mail coming through the social
media notification.

570
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,200
When we are still in survival
mode and trying to fix

571
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,960
ourselves.
There's no way we can elevate

572
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,760
our consciousness to this world
centric level and to also care

573
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,880
about our species.
You know, usually people say,

574
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,520
how was your trip to India?
It's like, yeah, we saw the Taj

575
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,200
Mahal and and the best food.
Yours is definitely a lot more

576
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,520
layered and nuanced.
I think it definitely will give

577
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,640
the listener a lot of food for
thought because I just think

578
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,160
especially here in the West, I
mean, I think we just get so in

579
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,880
the rat race, not just with our
careers, but I would argue

580
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,280
almost sometimes Freeman, it's
this validation rat race where

581
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,400
it's just about what kind of
influence are we having?

582
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,040
And I mean, the crazy thing is,
you know, I've read the books,

583
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,480
you know, there's this amazing
book, The Chaos effect.

584
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,720
There's this book, Ugly Truth
they're talking about with

585
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,840
social media, you know, about
how well, it's the seemingly

586
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,760
innocuous thing where you pick
up your phone and I I love the

587
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,680
sing songy ping Ding ring is
that you should trademark that.

588
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,160
Where is it?
You know that?

589
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,160
Yeah.
It's it's just that dopamine hit

590
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,000
that we are so dependent on
where It's just like my phone,

591
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,320
you know, waking up in the
morning, I got, you know, three

592
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,840
notifications.
OK, someone liked my post or

593
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,920
somebody shared it.
And it's such a bullshit when

594
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,400
you think about halfway across
the world, or sometimes even

595
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,360
across across the city, in a
different part of the city,

596
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,080
someone doesn't know where the
next meal is going to come from.

597
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,160
And so I, I really appreciate
the fact that you shared that in

598
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,680
your you call it a memoir, or do
you call it a what?

599
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,560
What do you call it exactly?
But it's just for lack of a

600
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,320
better word, but really to
share, as they say that, you

601
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,320
know, warts and all, where it's
just not about this glowing

602
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,840
depiction of how you had this
eat, pray, love moment and you

603
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,320
became this enlightened guru.
You'd really did see this kind

604
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,560
of the dark side side of
humanity, you know, just kind of

605
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,040
brought to the to the forefront.
And I think that you can read

606
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,600
about this and you can watch
YouTube videos, but I think if

607
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,760
you've really been up close into
one of these slums and, and

608
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,920
really seen and, and quite
frankly, I mean, I've been there

609
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,080
too and you've smelled it and
you've really like experienced

610
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,400
all 5 senses of that blot on
humanity, I would call it what

611
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,560
then it really feels like then
honestly, I think the how many

612
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,960
likes you got on that last
Instagram post really doesn't,

613
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,520
doesn't amount to anything.
I really hope that more people

614
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,120
after reading your book and
after listening to this podcast,

615
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,400
I think will be inspired to
really home in on some of the

616
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,440
less than Instagram worthy shots
of, of, of what this world

617
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,880
really looks like.
Yeah, I love what you said

618
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,360
because and and also to answer
your question, yeah, I, I call

619
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,640
my book a half travel memoir and
half self help book.

620
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,920
And I also share like you know,
to to the listener, if you

621
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,400
haven't read my book, you're not
reading the stories about me.

622
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,520
You're just reading my stories
to reflect about yourself.

623
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,760
So let's say in the chapter
about India.

624
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,520
So every chapter I share my
story and I share the lesson and

625
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,520
I would challenge my readers as
well to journal and reflect on

626
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,160
the concept we just share about.
So let's say what does money

627
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,360
really mean to you?
Are you relying on any

628
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,000
materialistic goals at this at
the moment to keep yourself

629
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,200
happy?
If you are being honest with

630
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,040
yourself, what are the
artificial desires you are

631
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,720
already chasing without even
realizing?

632
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,000
So I challenge my reader to
reflect upon their life and I

633
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,920
think this is one of the most
powerful way to create

634
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,360
transformation because like you
said, when we had a how to guide

635
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,280
you, the next person and follow
this step and you can be

636
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,040
enlightened.
Most of the time it doesn't

637
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,920
happen that way.
We finish reading the ball, we

638
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,280
go back to our 9:00 to 5:00 and
then same thing happens, same

639
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,520
trigger happened.
I'm just the same person.

640
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,240
But transformation has to come
from within, which is also the

641
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,360
basis of what I'm doing with my
transformational life coaching

642
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,560
work, Mindvalley and also with
ever Coach as well.

643
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,480
And how we can serve others is
by improving ourselves and

644
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,040
transforming ourselves from
within to become a better person

645
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,160
from within.
And in order to change, we can't

646
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,760
enforce ourselves by something
from the external.

647
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:04,840
We can only recreate our
identity and create change from

648
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,320
within.
And in order to make that change

649
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,480
from within, we have to go deep.
We have to face the belief that

650
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,199
we have been using for our whole
life to challenge our own

651
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:20,000
belief, to challenge our own
understanding about the world,

652
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,600
our own understanding about
others culture.

653
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:26,800
So, yeah, so that is how I see
quite a unique approach to

654
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,280
accelerate the transformation.
I did want to circle back

655
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,679
because hearing about your story
about India really gave me some

656
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:38,120
pause because we're both of
Asian descent and we have so

657
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,920
much what I would call, I said,
Like wisdom at our fingertips or

658
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,480
wisdom in our DNA.
There's so many wisdom cultures,

659
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,360
you know, like from China, like
Qiyong and then India, like, you

660
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,239
know, Ayurveda and pranayam and
yoga.

661
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,719
And I feel like this podcast,
this platform is really giving

662
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,440
me a vehicle or giving me a
platform where I can really get

663
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,800
back to the root and sort of tap
into source of a lot of this

664
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,520
wisdom.
So one of the things you share

665
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,800
in your book, it sounds like
with your attempts to deal with

666
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,160
CFS with chronic fatigue
syndrome, it sounds like that it

667
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,320
is the same.
Is it a Chinese proverb that

668
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,240
know in every crisis there is an
opportunity?

669
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:20,840
Is that Chinese?
Harbor.

670
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,760
Sounds like that that definitely
played out for you with this CFS

671
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,920
issue is that it exposed you to
a lot of East Asian modalities

672
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,640
for healing.
I'm so I'd love if you could

673
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,240
talk about that, whether it's
Qigong or or other modalities

674
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,720
from your own culture that maybe
you hadn't explored.

675
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:39,440
Before I I love what you just
share.

676
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,120
And you are right, so in
Chinese, right, so crisis and

677
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,320
opportunities, they are the same
words.

678
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,760
So we write in the same way,
pronounced in the same way, it's

679
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,480
just the same word.
So with that in mind, right, So

680
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,880
my health transformation
obviously again, you know when I

681
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,960
talk about travel to transform,
right?

682
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,400
When I say transformation,
holistic transformation in a

683
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,840
holistic way, that means we are
transforming ourselves through

684
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,240
all aspects and different
category of life.

685
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:08,280
May that be financially,
intellectually, emotionally,

686
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,120
philosophically, culturally and
all this dimension of life and

687
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,320
health is definitely one of the
big pillar in this transforming

688
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,640
my CFS.
When I was saying I was

689
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,960
travelling around the world for
10 years, I never took care of

690
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,680
my body and in fact I was a
marketing manager by day.

691
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,280
I, I work in the corporate
environment by day and then I

692
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,800
was a DJ by night.
I've all the energy I should

693
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,440
jump.
And you jump in a phone booth

694
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,040
like Clark Kent, and from then
to you're all there, you know

695
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,880
my.
Headset and yeah become the

696
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,000
Superman and.
Yeah, yeah.

697
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:44,320
Get back on my decks and
spinning the spinning my neck

698
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,960
and exactly like I, I had all
those energy back then and I

699
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,760
thought I was right.
I thought I could do this and I

700
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,200
have so many private rooftop and
my penthouse.

701
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,840
When I was in Singapore with my
best friend, I'll throw the

702
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,560
party every single time.
It was just incredible like I

703
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,760
was, I thought I was enjoying
life so much.

704
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,480
But at that time, since I never
talk about take care of my body.

705
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,120
When I moved to Sydney, as I
said, Bush fire and then COVID.

706
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,640
That was the time I finally
broke down because not just my

707
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,800
mental health going into the
dark corner, my lifestyle

708
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,360
completely changed.
And actually, in fact, when I

709
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,640
was in Singapore, I start having
symptoms already.

710
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,440
I will be walking down the
streets and forget where I'm at

711
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,240
again.
And I went to grocery store.

712
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,440
What's the one thing I said I'm
here to buy?

713
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,400
I can't remember and I start
having more serious brain fall

714
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,600
and then I got like I got sick,
I got a fever like every

715
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,320
biweekly.
It's so frequent, it's not even

716
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,400
normal.
But for me at that time, I never

717
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,920
thought I need to take care
about my health because it's the

718
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,800
doctor's responsibility.
Like in the modern day contest

719
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,840
salvation culture, right?
We are also relying on the

720
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,320
Pharmaceutical industry and
medical expert quote UN quote.

721
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,200
So I was just thinking, OK, I
couldn't sleep.

722
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,560
I would just take sleeping
pills.

723
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,000
I don't have enough energy.
I will ask the doctor what can

724
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,960
give me the boost my like
adrenal or whatever it is that

725
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,240
didn't work throughout the whole
time so.

726
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,400
Like it's almost sounds like a
like a transactional approach to

727
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,680
health, right?
Where it's like credits and

728
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,520
debits where it's like, OK, I'm
down now we take this and it'll

729
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,880
just get me to that level.
There's not this holistic and

730
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,640
and let's achieve some
stability.

731
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,400
Very transactional and you are
so spot on brother.

732
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:27,000
It is in a way where we fought
only when something bad happens

733
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,360
to our health, then we do
something.

734
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,080
So this whole approach changed
gratefully around one year in

735
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,840
when I was in Sydney.
So I moved to Sydney Olympic

736
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,240
Park, which is where I living in
now, another amazing penthouse

737
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,000
over this area, but I got the
green space as well.

738
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,760
I got the river by the water and
I'm very grateful I got the

739
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,000
opportunity.
It's almost like universe or God

740
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,080
or your higher self or whatever
been this system you allow guide

741
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,200
me to here, because then I, I
actually went to see a Chinese

742
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,080
practitioner in the Olympic Park
clinic here and his name is

743
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,560
Mickey Mickey home.
I I found on Google.

744
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,120
Oh great, there's a Chinese
practitioner because by the time

745
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,120
I know western medicine couldn't
help me.

746
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,560
So I started going to
acupuncture, which doing a lot

747
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,160
more work on my Meridian, which
is more like the energy centers

748
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,280
throughout the body.
It helps recharge me like even

749
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,560
though I see myself very western
and I believe in science and

750
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,920
stuff, but you know, I feel
better that way.

751
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,800
So the more I get into the
Chinese medicine, the more I get

752
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,280
to reframe my understanding, to
reframe my awareness about

753
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,480
health.
Because instead of waiting for

754
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,920
my breakdown, instead of waiting
my health go bad, go wrong, why

755
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,720
not do the prevention?
And in fact, why not optimize

756
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:48,280
our body, our mental well-being
and fitness or to an level where

757
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,240
you can't even get beaten by any
virus or germs or bacteria

758
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:55,680
because your body is so
resilient.

759
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,600
So having that new approach, I
start to reframe a little bit my

760
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,840
understanding and my own
responsibility.

761
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,200
And thanks to I was just saying,
I met Mickey as well, whom now I

762
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,240
call Seafood Mickey home, which
means my masters and teacher

763
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,240
because he was doing acupuncture
with me.

764
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,640
But then he also be so honest
with me as a Freeman, I can put

765
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,520
all these needles on you and
make you feel better a few days.

766
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,200
But if you don't change your
lifestyle, if you are still

767
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,520
eating pasta three times a day
and drink bubble tea twice a

768
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,880
day, if you are still drinking
so much alcohol, this is not

769
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,040
going to help you.
And that really woke me up.

770
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,680
That really woke me up.
And it also asked me another

771
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,600
question is, by the way, we also
do a Shaolin Kung Fu training on

772
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,800
Saturday morning here as well.
Would you like to join?

773
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,280
And I was like, yeah.
And then that is the start of me

774
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,400
getting into this beautiful
ancient wisdom of Shaolin

775
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,560
philosophy and Shaolin martial
arts.

776
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,280
So I'm still training with him.
So turns out Seafood McKee home.

777
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,360
He is a Chinese practitioner.
He knows all about, you know, he

778
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,160
he's medically trained, but at
the same time, he actually was

779
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,520
trained with a Singapore master.
And here's a few Nuggets I would

780
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,200
love to share with the listener
as well.

781
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,120
So Shaolin martial arts training
is not really about combat.

782
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,200
It's not really about fighting.
Although you can see the warrior

783
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,400
monk like they, they, they can.
You know when you see on TV the

784
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,880
spear can't Pierce food as
clean, right?

785
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,760
And they can break rock with
their bare hands.

786
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,320
And they are not actually, they
are not just stunts.

787
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,480
They are years of dedicated
training of their self mastery

788
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,920
with their body.
And that's why you look like

789
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,960
they are defying physics to us.
But it's actually self mastery.

790
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,840
And when I'm training with him,
I start to learn how to become

791
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,520
more in tune with my body as
well.

792
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,760
Because the martial arts, the
body form, right?

793
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,480
So the one I learned, it's
called Nabukimbatoy.

794
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,400
It means the feast from the
South and the, the kicking from

795
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,200
the north, something like that.
You know, it doesn't mean much,

796
00:41:55,240 --> 00:42:00,680
but it's an embodiment of the
animals when you are moving your

797
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,560
body.
So it incorporates the movement

798
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,840
of the monkeys, the flexibility.
And it also embody the powerless

799
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:14,040
of the tiger, the fierce, the
fearless, the courage in it.

800
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,160
And there are also other forms
of animals and mantis and, you

801
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,760
know, different ways to
incorporate the body movement of

802
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,480
other animals into us.
And the more I practice, the

803
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,320
more I realized, wow, all this
Asian wisdom is not about

804
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,280
fighting.
It's actually a spiritual

805
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,040
practice.
It's a deep personal practice.

806
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,920
How I'm going to understand my
body more, how I can understand

807
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,440
better the food that I'm putting
into my body.

808
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,600
How I can, even though I have
like a corporate job sitting

809
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,080
many, many hours a day in front
of a laptop, which I'm sure a

810
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,040
lot of listeners can resonate,
but how I can incorporate

811
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,000
movement every half an hour,
maybe to install a standing desk

812
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,960
to do more stretching
day-to-day.

813
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,640
All these little things
incorporating into the life is

814
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,160
how we can embody that ancient
wisdom into our modern day

815
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,200
contest.
Right now.

816
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,480
This is what I always share with
my audience is that we are

817
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,160
living in the modernized world
where planes are on the skies,

818
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,400
where we can just order Uber
Eats to deliver to our doors

819
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,320
well and instant gratification.
But also like you said, this is

820
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,120
also this deep well of wisdom
coming from thousands years of

821
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,280
Asian civilization.
May that be the Shaolin wisdom,

822
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,040
may that be the yogic tradition,
may that be sand the towel or

823
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,760
whatever modality comes from all
this beautiful ancient wisdom

824
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,080
actually have so many
overlapping about what they

825
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,520
teach.
And in the health transformation

826
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,080
context, what we can all do as a
modern global citizens is to

827
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,200
learn to how to be in tune with
our body as well.

828
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,920
So not just waiting for that
wake up call in our health, not

829
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,880
that waiting for the breakdown
to come to us, but how we can

830
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,000
now to take the step to make a
difference.

831
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,360
And when I say take this step,
it doesn't mean it doesn't

832
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,920
necessarily have to be anything
big at all.

833
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,280
For me when I was learning
martial arts, what happens also

834
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,720
is instead of eating pasta three
times a day and drinking bubble

835
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,320
teas twice a week, I start
cooking meals.

836
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,800
I start preparing use for
myself.

837
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,680
The next thing I know I start
doing something different.

838
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,520
Next thing I know I start eating
organic.

839
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,000
The next thing I know I start to
have I I become gluten free and

840
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,000
dairy free on one diet.
Right, it's like a ripple

841
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,400
effect.
Yeah, it's ripple effect and now

842
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,360
today I become a bio hacker as
well as you would know a lot in

843
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,760
the my value community.
We track our state.

844
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,640
We have red light therapy
machine, we do cold therapy,

845
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,720
right.
We have a monitor things where

846
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:45,920
you know, I also share as well
in my book where I do IgG

847
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,560
sensitivity testing so that I
know what are the list of food

848
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,840
that is good for my body that
makes me strong.

849
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,600
I also do GI mapping as well so
that I know what is exactly the

850
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,600
microbiome species and the
quality and the cut fora in my

851
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,040
digestive system as well, right?
I do individual DNA testing so

852
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,360
that I know you know myself
better.

853
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,640
And it sounds very overwhelming
in in, in this minute, but it's

854
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,560
a step by step process to
transform our own understanding

855
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,440
of our own health and well-being
into a state from a state of

856
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,680
surviving to a state of
thriving.

857
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,040
Well, you know what I would
recommend, Freeman, is you

858
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,760
should have like a companion of
just just the quotes, honestly,

859
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,520
from your book because there's
so many amazing Nuggets.

860
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,680
The one that I really liked and
I want to make a connection

861
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,240
here.
The one that I really liked was

862
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:36,520
the one from Bruce Lipton where
you're talking about how the

863
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,040
human body, it's a misconception
to look in the mirror and just

864
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,240
see one body.
You're actually looking at a

865
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,240
community of 50 trillion cells,
I think is a quote, right?

866
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,520
And that got me thinking about
this other quote, which is when

867
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,760
I is replaced by we in illness
that becomes Wellness.

868
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,120
Where I'm going with this
Freeman, is that this whole

869
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,880
thing about health, it is not a
solitary journey.

870
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,840
It is not something, you know,
obviously we talk about monks on

871
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,080
these journeys of self
reflection and prospection and

872
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,600
they have the highest
frequencies of thought as we

873
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,720
know through meditation and
measuring their EE GS and they

874
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,200
have amazing health.
But I would say that really

875
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,640
optimal health is it takes a
village, it's a community

876
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,080
experience.
So I wanted to talk to you a

877
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,520
little bit about your take on
community and starting with your

878
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,120
shirt, what we haven't even
talked about that.

879
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,400
What is what is your shirt?
Maybe that'll segue into our

880
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,440
discussion.
About community, the teaser

881
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,040
itself, right?
So I say super coach here and

882
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,600
obviously the most beautiful
part is the wings here because

883
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,240
it's not about identity, but
it's about what brought us

884
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,080
together.
And the reason I was this

885
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,960
morning, I was thinking, I'm
going on the The Untended Life

886
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:55,520
podcast and what should I wear?
And it just come intuitively to

887
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,960
me.
It's almost like this T-shirt

888
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,560
just dropped out from the
cupboard itself.

889
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,440
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.

890
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,960
I think this worked really well
because you and I, we really

891
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,400
connect through this platform,
my Valley, which is also the

892
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,400
place where it has transformed
both you and I so much.

893
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,640
And I love what you just said
about the health journey.

894
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,160
It's not a solitary journey at
all.

895
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,480
In fact, the reason I'm able to
be the bow hacker, the martial

896
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,680
art practice, this thriving
global citizen I am today is

897
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,920
because I have a community
supporting me.

898
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,720
I have this conscious global
community where they inspires

899
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,800
me, they empower me.
They gave me all this new

900
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,600
insights about health, about why
I'm doing this to reminding me

901
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,720
why I'm on this path, The
constant inspirations from all

902
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:47,200
this amazing people.
It's why I can keep on going on

903
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,280
this part.
Because to be honest, if you are

904
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,640
telling me to change my diet,
you are telling me not to eat

905
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,920
this.
You are telling me I have to

906
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,640
work myself out.
How many hours per week, stress

907
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,960
myself and feeling uncomfortable
by myself.

908
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,960
It's not an easy journey at all.
And I'm sure you could resonate

909
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,680
because when we have the support
of this community, when we

910
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,720
recognize we are not alone,
which is also so beautifully

911
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:17,280
into with my message about
travel to transform because we

912
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,520
are living in one global
village.

913
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,840
We are living in only one giant
globe.

914
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,040
And in fact, when we are on the
moon, right when we are on the

915
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,320
moon and we take a photo back on
the earth, when the astronaut do

916
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,960
that, that's only one giant
global planet floating in space,

917
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,600
one planet called Earth.
But this us is our ego, is our

918
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,400
own society and government
trying to defy us.

919
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,840
And that's why we have that
feeling of separation, but we

920
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,960
are not separate at all.
And when we find our tribe, when

921
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,800
we find our community, no matter
you are here to transform your

922
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,440
health.
No matter you are here to

923
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,720
transform your cultural
understanding, your financial

924
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,480
circumstances, your career, your
relationship with your loved

925
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,840
one.
No matter what aspect of life

926
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,280
you are on the journey of this
personal growth, you are

927
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,160
entitled to a community
yourself.

928
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,840
And that's where this T-shirt
and the wing and my comes in.

929
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,840
Really.
Yeah, I was curious, Freeman,

930
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,480
you're spot on about that.
I mean, just the transformative

931
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,200
effects, I don't even think we
talked about it, But how did you

932
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,240
come across the platform?
So going back to when 2019 when

933
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:29,920
I moved to Sydney, right?
And then I went into this dark

934
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,880
corner of my mental health,
right?

935
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,400
I couldn't drag myself out of
bed and I was chronic fatty.

936
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,200
I praying for and I was just
asking myself the question, how

937
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,240
can I even live by the rest of
my life like this?

938
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,000
I was just 20 something I have
so many more years ahead of me.

939
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,160
I can't like I was taking pills
and I still couldn't sleep like

940
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,160
it was a torture.
And at that time my family came

941
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,880
out and I'm super grateful this
came up to my feet and then some

942
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,360
of my friends told me about it.
I knew Jim Quake, you know, we

943
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,040
talk about neuroplasticity
earlier as well.

944
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,640
So Jim Quake, the world's best
brain coach came came across and

945
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,240
I always love to improve myself
like yes, that get me into it.

946
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,200
And then my friends told me
about six phase meditation by

947
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,680
fishing the gun.
One of the biggest influence for

948
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,720
both you and I as well, a great
teacher, Mind Valley.

949
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,960
And there are also more things
just lining up.

950
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,600
And then I start realizing all
this learning all this Mind

951
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:30,120
Valley talks, let me know I have
the power to make change by

952
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,600
myself as well.
And that was really the turning

953
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,240
point of my health
transformation right there.

954
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,120
And then getting into the
community because you are

955
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,360
completely right.
And I love how you're weaving

956
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,120
this into the story because when
I finish around like 910 quests,

957
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,960
which is like the all my calls
on Mindvalley, we call it quest.

958
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,440
And around that point, I was
asking a question, why am I

959
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,880
doing this by myself behind the
computer screen live in

960
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,480
Australia, that is a big
continent.

961
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,360
Where are the other people who
are into personal growth as

962
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,000
well, who are other people who
are in this spiritual

963
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,840
development?
And as soon as I asked that

964
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,640
question, I opened the
Mindvalley app.

965
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,160
And this is a funny part.
I saw the Mindvalley team is

966
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,920
asking for a volunteer and
ambassador to serve the

967
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,560
Australia community.
But that's the beautiful point

968
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,120
where I opened up my life so
beautifully because I went for

969
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,560
the interview with my Valley
team and then I become the

970
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,360
ambassador for Australia and
then I was surfing in some of

971
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,440
the quest as well with Stephen
Kotler.

972
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:27,760
That was three years ago.
I.

973
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,920
Love Stephen Koller.
Yeah, the flow guy.

974
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,960
Yeah, yeah, the.
Flow guy, exactly the flow

975
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,600
expert and, and then throughout
the year, I stopped building my

976
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,000
tribe in Sydney as well.
And throughout the year I've

977
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,200
been working with my valley team
to create a space and rolling

978
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,440
out more as well.
So when you come to Australia

979
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,800
now we also have our tribe in
Brisbane, in Gold Coast and in

980
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Melbourne as well and also in
council as well in North

981
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,480
Queensland.
And I'm the coordinator really

982
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,560
working with our local host to
create this community space

983
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:59,560
locally, Australia tribes as
well.

984
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:02,960
And as you will know, I just
came back from Estonia as well.

985
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,880
I came back from the Minor
Valley University, which is the

986
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,440
annual event where we have all
the Minor Valley members all

987
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,640
around the world flying into
Italian in Estonia.

988
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,040
And we have the celebration, we
have workshop, we have talks, we

989
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,880
have parties and I got to be
also part of this super coach.

990
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,600
Well, I.
Call it, I don't know if so, if

991
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,040
you've heard this before, but
people ask me like, what is it

992
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,960
exactly?
I say it's like Ted X meets

993
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,120
Burning Man because it's just
all this amazing knowledge, all

994
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,920
these brilliant minds.
And then it's just complete

995
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,880
chaos.
Two people are just going nuts

996
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,840
at these dance parties till, you
know, all night, two or two or

997
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,080
three in the morning.
And then there's like 8 year

998
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,080
olds running around in the midst
of all this stuff.

999
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,080
It's this experiment that just,
it's taken on like, like

1000
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,520
wildfires, a really beautiful
thing to see.

1001
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Beautifully sad and I, I, I
can't wrestle anymore.

1002
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,760
It's like a super coach is like
a tactics with Burning Man and

1003
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,040
who dare you meet is just
incredible because like you

1004
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,960
said, when we will have this
feeling of isolation, when we

1005
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,280
have the feeling that we are on
this journey by ourself,

1006
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,160
everything is like 10 times more
difficult.

1007
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,480
But when we are in the space
where we meet all this super

1008
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,640
coaches or you know, people who
are just into personal growth,

1009
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,600
people who are just fanatics
about becoming a better version

1010
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,360
of themselves, the energy in the
group literally transform your

1011
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,440
feeling and your consciousness
there and being in this space.

1012
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,520
This is the second time I just
went back to Thailand because it

1013
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,560
was just so worth it.
I threw over 30 hours last year

1014
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,720
from all the way from Sydney
down under to Europe.

1015
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,280
And it's so worth it because the
connection I got to make the

1016
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,640
soul family, as I would say,
there's no prize you can put on

1017
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,440
it.
We have a meaningful

1018
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,920
conversation and it doesn't even
matter what our skin color is,

1019
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,760
where we are flying from, what
financial background we have,

1020
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,480
what educational level we are
at.

1021
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,720
Doesn't matter.
What modality, whether we are

1022
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:59,320
coaches or energy healer or
athletics or peak performance,

1023
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,520
what career you have doesn't
matter at all.

1024
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,840
Assume family.
You have to stay family.

1025
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,160
We can be raw and authentic with
each other.

1026
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,960
So yeah, I mean, I think the
community aspect of Mindvalley

1027
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,640
is, it can't be overstated and I
don't get any Commission from

1028
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,640
Mindvalley, but I but I can't
overstate the impact it's had on

1029
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,160
me because this is a prime
illustration.

1030
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,280
I would have never crossed paths
with you.

1031
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,000
There's people all around the
globe.

1032
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,440
We're not just absorbing
information.

1033
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,600
We are taking this information
and we're transmuting it,

1034
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,920
transforming it into other
pieces of content or other

1035
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,520
things we can leave behind to
our fellow man, to our kids, to

1036
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,320
the planet.
I really love what you said

1037
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,400
because obviously we both don't
have any Commission, but I think

1038
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,120
the reason we are kind of, you
know, really an advocate about

1039
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,760
sharing at this because there's
so many beautiful resources

1040
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,720
through this platform and people
you can get to connect with.

1041
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:57,400
We are sharing the possibility
with all the listeners that if

1042
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,200
you are really interested to
make change in your life, if you

1043
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,240
are really interested to take
the next step about personal

1044
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:08,120
growth, you got all the people
that would be genuinely wanting

1045
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,680
to support you because we are
all on the same journey

1046
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,440
together.
And that's a beautiful bit.

1047
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,160
And this so empowering.
It's so empowering when we are

1048
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:21,280
in tune with one another and we
can all learn from one another.

1049
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,920
And that's the reason I was
saying as well, even with my Bo,

1050
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,000
you're not really reading the
story about me.

1051
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,840
You're reading the stories to
reflect on yourself.

1052
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,560
Because we as human being have
this remarkable ability to be

1053
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,720
able to absorb ourselves in
others person story.

1054
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,840
And we learn the lessons through
storytelling.

1055
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,880
That's why storytelling has been
the biggest piece of any

1056
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,560
cultures through our generation.
The indigenous culture, that's

1057
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,160
how back in the days when they
don't have computer storytelling

1058
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,680
is how they shared the
generations of story from their

1059
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,520
grand, grand, grand, grand
ancestor.

1060
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,320
At the end, it's not about even
the platform or the book that

1061
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,080
you, you, you get to delve into
to make a change.

1062
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,720
Like you said, it's about
integrating itself.

1063
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,120
I'm a big fan about integration
because being a global citizen,

1064
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:13,920
being a thriving global citizen
means we are integrating what we

1065
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,120
have to learn into our
day-to-day modern world.

1066
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,080
You see the books we read, the
quest we do, you know, all the

1067
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,880
things that we learn, it only
stays in intellectual, it only

1068
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,840
stays in our mind.
But to really take that

1069
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,680
knowledge, that wisdom, to be
able to make an impact and take

1070
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:38,040
actions in this 3D reality, to
make tangible changes, that part

1071
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,480
is called integration.
And I love what you said about

1072
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,360
this community.
We are a community that full of

1073
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,640
change, maker.
We are a community full of

1074
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,520
people who take actions, who are
shaping the world and making a

1075
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,320
dance in society in ways we have
never imagined before.

1076
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,000
And when we all do it together,
we are changing the world

1077
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,400
together.
There's no one magical bullet

1078
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,880
that we can transform the world
with the blink of an eye.

1079
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,840
It doesn't exist, but the
formula comes from when we

1080
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,320
transform ourselves, we
transform others, and then we

1081
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,880
transform the world.
Yep, A. 100% So Freeman, this is

1082
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,960
one of the most interesting
conversations I've had.

1083
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,120
What I like to ask is, you know,
the title of this podcast is

1084
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,240
Untether Your Life.
What I would like to ask you,

1085
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,560
Freeman, is how would you tell
the listener?

1086
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,840
What can they do to untether
their life?

1087
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,280
It's such a beautiful question.
When we are tether, what I see

1088
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,400
is we are in survival mode when
we are tether.

1089
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:36,080
When we are chained, we are in a
place where we're not living in

1090
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,240
the full potential and that's
why we don't feel fulfilled, we

1091
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,600
don't feel happy.
So to untether our life is to

1092
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,160
take that action, is to take
that integration of what we

1093
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:51,400
learn and transform it into
tangible impacts to ourself and

1094
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,320
to the world.
So for me, untethering our life

1095
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:59,040
is to empower ourself and other
to become the best version of

1096
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,200
ourself as a citizen of the.
World very well sped.

1097
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,280
Thank you so much, Bremen.
This was this was such an

1098
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,920
amazing conversation.
If people want to find out more

1099
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,240
about you and your platform or
maybe work with you, what is the

1100
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,360
best way for for them to get in
touch with you?

1101
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,360
So the best place to find me is
on my website.

1102
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:20,280
So www.travel to transform.com.
So I have a lot of free

1103
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,720
resources as well on my website
and to help you to become a

1104
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,560
conscious global citizens and
travel tips as well on how to

1105
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,160
holistically support our life
and to thrive.

1106
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,920
And I'm also very active on on
social media as well.

1107
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,960
So you can also follow me on
Instagram, which is Freeman

1108
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,360
phone official.
So FLGEMAN phone is Fung and

1109
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,120
then official.
So I'm pretty active there as

1110
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,080
well as I do a lot of talks and,
you know, sharing podcasts and

1111
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,760
my day-to-day insight as well.
A bit more personal approach on

1112
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,480
that side.
So I would love to stay connect

1113
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,960
with all your listener as well.
So, and don't be a stranger.

1114
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,640
We are all global citizens, so
interwine the connected with

1115
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,840
technology.
So shoot me a message as well.

1116
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,720
Shoot me a voicemail message,
voice note.

1117
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,280
I'm always happy to listen to
know what you think about the

1118
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,160
message that I share and
especially with this beautiful

1119
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,000
and dead of live podcast as
well.

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What's the one thing that you
learn from the conversation

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today?
Share with us.

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I would love to hear it.
Excellent.

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Well, thanks again, Freeman.
This was an amazing discussion

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and I think it is the first of
many future collaborations to

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come.
So, so thank you so much

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brother.
Appreciate it.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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Appreciate it.
Thanks for having me again

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today.
Thanks so much for listening,

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and I hope you enjoyed that
episode.

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For more of these types of
conversations, please visit us

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at untetheryourlife.co.
You can also find us on

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Instagram and Untether Your
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Spotify and other platforms by
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Life.
And if you did enjoy this

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episode, please leave us a
review or share it with someone

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who might also benefit.
Thanks, and until the next time

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we meet, stay untethered.