46: Justin S Grant: Finding Synergies Between Business and Spirituality – Even for Busy People!

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Spirituality and hustle culture
coexist.

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If the eyes are the window to
the soul, what is the path to

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the soul?
Did Doom scrolling and fomo

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exist?
Back in the days of cavemen and

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dinosaurs and who is the father
of modern psychology Freud or

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the Buddha stay tuned as we
touch on these and many other

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topics on this week's episode of
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Over Sation to catalyze change
this week, we speak with Justin

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asked, Grant and entrepreneur
singer, author, mentor and

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founder of an it consultancy
based in Los Angeles.

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California.
His best-selling book business

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and spirituality offers a
pragmatic path for truth.

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Seekers in the global era.
An Abridged version is available

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under the title of spirituality,
for busy people.

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He now offers Dynamic mentoring
programs for health wellness,

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and realizing spiritual purpose.
And with that, let's get on

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Heathered.
Thanks so much Justin for

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joining.
Yeah, thanks for having me here.

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Thank you.
Looking forward to talking so

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thank you for that introduction.
Well, I'm from Santa Barbara.

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California has he mentioned any
and California?

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And maybe much of the West Coast
of the US is the farthest west.

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Basically the US and also that
puts us near the East and a

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sense.
So in Santa Barbara for those

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reasons and perhaps there's a
good blending of Eastern and

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Western philosophy and
spirituality.

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So I grew up in a home.
That was very open-minded about

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different wisdom, traditions of
the world and didn't push

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anything particularly hard on
me.

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But allowed me to explore all
those things on my own and when

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I became college-aged in went to
UC Santa Barbara is when my

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passion for studying these
wisdom, Traditions really caught

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fire and I was involved at UC
Santa Barbara and studying

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comparative religions both
Formerly at school as well as

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just in my free time and also
was in The Gospel Choir, which

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was a wonderful experience.
And, you know, in addition to

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praising the Lord and song, I
also learned how to sing and

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clap at the same time, which is
a skill.

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I was not born with and also
join, what was called the bhakti

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yoga and bhakti means love or
devotion in the Hindu tradition.

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So it also is praising.
The Lord just in a different

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language and also in a different
tradition but oh, beautiful on

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you.
Physical and all life changing

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for me in many ways.
And then after college, and in

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my young adulthood, I just
continued to study both music

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and spirituality.
Then in my late 30s, decided to

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formalize, my trainings and
understandings and to get a

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Masters Degree in
transformational Psychology and

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psyche means Soul originally and
ology means the study of.

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So psychology is the study of
the soul and transformational

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ecology implies it's about
studying the soul in a way that

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is geared towards personal
transformation tour, deep

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healing, and turning our traumas
that we all have in life into

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something positive and turning
our Darkness into beautiful

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burning light and then being
empowered to go out and help our

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needy world with in the west
Sigmund Freud, goes hand-in-hand

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with psychology is one of the
most famous psychological

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geniuses Would talk of
spirituality sometimes but still

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was something of an atheist.
So anyway, he reinterpreted the

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term psyche, the Greek term
psyche for soul, he called

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psyche mind.
So that's a bit more of a

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scientific way of describing the
soul a bit more modern.

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And then in my studies I've come
to believe and understand

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psyche.
And soul psyche, soul and mind

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is all really synonymous terms,
right?

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And what else is interesting
that Ben's back around to, the

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transformational aspect of the
psychology that I've studied in

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practice is Freud.
He designed the therapist scene

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and chair with the patient line
on the back of the couch.

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Because originally, he was
sitting in a chair opposite, the

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client sitting in chair and he
said he just got tired having to

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look at people all day long.
So that's why you told me to lie

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down on the couch.
Interesting.

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Yeah, that's fun.
Anyways, man, it sounds like

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yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

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And the other thing is he
humorously said and so

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Terrifyingly said that therapy
ends when either the therapist

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or the patient dies so pretty
Grim.

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Right?
Right.

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So I mean he was just kind of
admitting that the system that

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he popularized practices whole
life like talking about her

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problems was leading people to
what he called normal Neurosis.

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So just like ignore manageable
like within an acceptable level

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then.
Yeah, right.

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Right.
And what's interesting is I

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talked about how Freud is
identified as the Other of

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psychology here in the west, but
all great.

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Spiritual teachers were
incredible psychologists.

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And the one that we call the
Buddha who lived 2,500 years

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ago, many would consider him to
be the ultimate in the original

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psychologist.
You know.

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Hmm.
Interesting food has been called

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a doctor of Souls and also
Buddhism really likes to use the

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term mind more than Soul.
So there's a lot of synergy and

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what's incredible about Buddha's
teaching is that he's trying to

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lead people on to Enlightenment
and Nirvana you know, Nirvana

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beaned synonymous with heaven
and side, you know, not heaven

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when you die but living Heaven
inside.

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So the point is Buddha's
psychology, came thousands of

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years before Freud's and rather
than this goal of normal

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Neurosis which again is that
they G Buddhism preached finding

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nirvana in the slide through
transformational psychology?

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Yeah.
And then the quote is all desire

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leads to suffering, right?
So it's all about, Seeing that

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hedonistic emphasis on material
Pursuits.

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One of the things that in my
experience plays into this is

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technology and that's what I
found.

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Very interesting about your
background because you know, you

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would talked about very early on
in your career you started a

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technology consultancy firm,
then that's what I found.

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Very interesting was just that
something that's very scientific

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and very binary and cut-and-dry
versus something like

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spirituality which is very fluid
and very, you know, it's the

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whole masculine and feminine.
Energy.

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And in my experience, I feel
like technology.

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The intention was to make our
lives easier and increase

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channels for collaboration where
as you know we are more

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inundated with negativity, you
were Doom, scrolling were full

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mowing where all the key
ingredients of anxiety and

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depression.
So I wanted to get your take a

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little bit more, you know,
because you've obviously had

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feet in both world.
So to speak about your thoughts

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about technology and Impact on
mental well-being.

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In today's society, spirituality
and the soul is going

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hand-in-hand, but really every
branch of constructive human

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endeavor is an expression of
spirituality of Soul light as it

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were.
And again, we witness this in

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nature in the seven colors of
the rainbow.

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So, in addition to the
expression of religion and

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spiritual activity, you know,
also education is an expression

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science, which would include
technology.

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She is an expression
communication politics are all

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expressions of divinity.
So technology was really into

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computers were my first love in
life, you know, some my passion

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and what enthralled me and yeah
they're very much just as much

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can be an expression of
spirituality as something like

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religion and devotion as well.
So there's nothing non-spiritual

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about scientific activity,
including technology and

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business, of course.
The title of my book is business

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and spirituality and
emergencies, and you're also

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talking about, you know, how to
technology, and spirituality

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merge.
Because again, any constructive

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human activity can be considered
a spiritual activity and yeah, I

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do think the technology can and
does enrich our lives, and so

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many ways.
But also those animal instincts

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that we talked about earlier,
which really are associated with

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survival, with fear and greed,
or perhaps, fear and desire And

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those are all in folded into our
technology Expressions as well.

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And so yeah.
Like you said, umm, scrolling

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and fomo, that's natural and it
before we were scrolling on our

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phones.
We were driving by car

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accidents, on the freeway, and
everybody stops and turns.

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And yeah, the psychological
reason for that is sound and

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that again at our core.
We are animals in the jungle,

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trying to survive and it's a
better safe than sorry

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situation.
We would rather mistake that

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stick on the ground.
Or a snake and avoid the stick

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or snake than, you know, just
assume it's a stick and then

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step on a snake and get bit,
right?

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And so when we drive by the car
accident, or we're doomed

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scrolling online.
The psychological reason for

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that, is that our subconscious
mind or ripped Hylian root of

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our brain, is trying to figure
out how we could have avoided

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that deadly situation.
That's why we're so addicted to

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these Dooms scenario.
We're trying to subconsciously

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wonder how the animal and US
wants to know how we could have

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avoided.
Added a deadly situation for

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ourselves.
Yep.

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And then the problem is when
that anxiety provoking situation

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is past but that feel of dread
you know the cortisol the

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sympathetic nervous system is
still activated, the fight or

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flight.
And so that's what we talked

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about in our platform and our
book and our movie is just about

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taking control and owning your
health and not just accepting

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this as fait, accompli?
Right.

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As just thinking that.
Well, you know, I'm constantly

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anxious.
I must have this diagnosis and

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therefore I need to pop this
many pills because my doctor

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said.
So because what I always say is

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that you can sometimes be like a
game of whack-a-mole where it's

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like I take one medication and
then another disorder pops up.

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And then I have to you know it's
just basically like trying to

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suppress it.
The analogy is almost like when

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you're a kid at the pool and you
push oh bouncing ball down in

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the pool.
What do you think happens?

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Right?
And you talk about this in your

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book as well.
Our Mantra, if you will is Own

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your health because that's
really the way you're going to

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get the best outcome.
Because the human system is so

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complex.
What is the concept of owning

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your health mean to you and your
experience all?

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Well, it's your Mantra.
I want to hear what you have to

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say about it.
There's a book on it coming out.

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Okay.
Wonderful.

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But in a nutshell mean, that's
what I was saying is just that

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there are ways to manage your
own well-being and, you know,

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you can just go on script you
can go on autopilot and pop

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pills.
And there's Other extremes where

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you're exercising too much, or
maybe you're hyper Vigilant

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about the calories.
You are consuming, you know, you

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have to find a middle ground.
And so, in my mind, I mean, I

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think meditation is super
important.

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So those are along the lines of
I was looking understanding your

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experience, like, what is work
for you and maybe the clients

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you work with in terms of taking
back that control and owning

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your health.
So yeah, like I started out

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saying, first of all, I want to
acknowledge that life is hard,

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you know?
So So it's not a matter of

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wanting to be judgmental on
people.

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It's a matter of wanting to try
to share practical spiritual

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wisdom, that can help them
gradually transform away from a

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place of unhealthy and
unhappiness into a place of

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radiant health.
And Nirvana, you know, being the

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ultimate goal Heaven on the
inside here and now and yeah.

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So on the topic of Health, I
like to start at the bottom on

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the physical animal expression
of our nature and Americans are

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in terrible Health physically
and that's all intertwined with,

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you know, being in bad Health,
emotionally, mentally.

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And I empathize and understand
that in a lot of places in the

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u.s. there are so called food,
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basically can only walk to the
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easy to come by, as we like you,
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junk food all the time, you're
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of refined sugar, which is, it's
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and it's a drug that all of us
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with the cake.
Your one-year-old, it's sent

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Celebrate with some drugs.

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sugar is really what makes us
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No sugar without fiber, like
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processed foods and the refined
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plant-based diet is the way to
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health.
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than fruits and seeds, but
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In all these teachings, that we
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basics and eating a natural
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health.
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products diet plus all the
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created this epidemic of on
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the West exports, its junk food.
It's becoming a pandemic of an

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elder, right?
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know, there is many people
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know, shutting down the world.
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about actually poor diet, kills
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tobacco alcohol, War, terrorism
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Being most human beings and why
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emergency in the way that
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emergency is super ironic and
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really is.
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also it's just dramatically
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almost one winnable war and I
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the founder of mine Valley
Vision like Yanni he had

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actually Done some videos about
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positioning of products by
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sugar, but they're positioning
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like a child Athlete on the
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store, it's that, you know,
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fun and activity with something
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from being able to do that,
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I mean, these corporations spend
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and know.
Neuroscientist to try to

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position.
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also, you know, these social
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pretty Insidious, I think.
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a drug period, you know?
So the u.s. tobacco companies

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aren't allowed to advertise to
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people to young people and
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pandemic of global proportions.
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we can through information
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programs.
We can try to curtail its spread

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and that kind of segues into my
next question, which is about

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spirituality for busy people.
When we first met and you told

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me the title, it intrigued me
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be something that you think of
that takes, you know, years.

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Then you people go on vipassana
Retreat and they're not able to

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talk for 10 days.
And then, you know, you think

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about that hustle culture, where
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microwave and you want to get on
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A and get your kids to soccer
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So I love the convergence of
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Consciousness and reality, tell
me a little bit more about

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spirituality for busy people,
like the program.

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Specifically, yeah, thanks for
asking the kill.

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So again, just backing up a
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My journey has to gone from
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compared to religion and unitive
spirituality, Interfaith

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spirituality and being open to
wisdom Traditions from any

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direction, any source, and then
to, right?

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A book called business and
spirituality.

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There's a dual meaning to the
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on the one hand, businesses
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my opinion, are the dominant,
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planet right now, whereas
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identities were nation-states
the government's and organized

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religions, right?
It used to be these Twin Towers

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of religions and states.
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column of Of Corporations and
businesses who have quickly

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risen to being more powerful
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So it's really vital for our own
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we culture these businesses,
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don't you know, with using their
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instincts.
You know just push us into

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Oblivion and species anihilation
so business and spirituality.

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The title does refer to these
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These businesses that So
business means busyness, right?

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State of being busy, basically
right?

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Yeah.
And all of us basically have is

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Enos in our lives, whether we're
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work at a non-profit or you
know, or can it an actual

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business.
So yeah, they're still may need

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to business and spirituality the
title and that it affects us as

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individuals as well as us
corporately, in whatever sort of

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groups that we are part of.
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was a bridge.
Aged into spirituality for busy

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people, which again, you know,
busy and business or synonyms in

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a sense and yeah, The Abridged
spirituality for busy.

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People has now been put into an
online course form where we have

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15 to 20 minute videos that go
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the book and then we have all
sorts of supplemental materials

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for worksheets homework and
visualization meditation videos

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and also invocation activities
in Location being like musical

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prayer and chanting which like
all things can be made spiritual

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but not necessarily religious.
So the spirituality for busy

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people, online course, has this
whole comprehensive set of

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teachings + group community
support, you know, in social

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media, as well as one-to-one.
Mentoring, the phone calls, and

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some calls, and things like
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Yeah.
So it's been really marvelously

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effective that we can bring
these teachings to Life as a

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youth in school.
I I often pondered on how

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interesting it was that we get
these textbooks that gave us all

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the information we needed.
Then we had a teacher like why

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do we need the teacher?
If everything's in the book,

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right, right.
And one of the answers is that

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teachers are there to answer any
questions.

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We have anything in the books
that confuses us and, you know,

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so it is with our course but the
other is I came to believe that

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the teachers just bring the
books to life, you know, they

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bring the teachings to life in
ways that makes it less dry,

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more interesting and more
inspirational.

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And so, Likewise with the
course, version of the book

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spirituality for busy people, we
bring it to life and we can help

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inspire people and keep them
accountable and give them

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structure around actually
creating great changes in their

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life.
Because the company that we work

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with has said, look in this day
and age information is basically

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unlimited and free.
So we don't sell information, we

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offer our clients transformation
and that's the beauty of taking

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something in the book, where
Really it's all there and

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adapting it to an online course
with the community and live

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teacher, / mentors / coaches and
that we can really help people

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get transformation rather than
the just read a book and maybe

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pick up some things and get
inspired.

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But yeah with the online course
version.

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There's just a lot more
intensity and that leads to

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transformation which is
comprehensive, you know, as I

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say from head to toe or for body
to Soul, you know, it's physical

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transformation.
Emotional healing.

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Mental clarification, and then
reception of spiritual purpose.

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You know, all that transpires
for people who go through our

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course or program.
Yeah, I mean as, you know, like,

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the whole purpose of the Shelly
story is it's talking about our

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journey with mental health.
You know, specifically I had

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suffered from bipolar disorder
for more than two decades

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undiagnosed, finally got the
diagnosis.

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And as much as I would like to
say, you know, it snap my

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fingers and skies parted and all
is well, it's a journey, it's a

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process.
But you know, that's why I'm

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always very interested in
looking outside of the norm and

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outside of just hop a Prozac or
Papa Wellbutrin and case closed.

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Right.
I'm always very intrigued by

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programs that look at The Human
Condition and look at ways that

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you can affect change with
minimal side effects.

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And that's why I saw that your
programs cater to anxiety,

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depression, addiction, just
curious.

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Could you tell me a little bit
more about maybe some success

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stories?
Some people that have really had

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some good results as a result
spirituality for busy people.

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So it's a comprehensive program
again from body to soul is what

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we effect.
But people have different urgent

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burning needs that attract them
to what we offer in the healing

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and transformation that we can
guide them through in ways that

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are safe, natural effective and
drug-free.

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And definitely, what we find is,
most people are attracted to the

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program for overcoming anxiety
and depression, right?

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Right?
And as we've talked about, I

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mean, people have a lot of
financial stress and people are

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in poor physical health, in many
ways from no fault of their own,

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really.
And yeah, being in poor physical

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health.
Absolutely is all intertwined

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with emotional and mental health
and you know, leads to anxiety

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and depression.
So people come to us seeking

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transformation and overcoming
anxiety and depression.

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Especially that's our most
popular program.

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And we guide them over programs
that are eight.

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Clong in two ways to get a
handle on their physical health,

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through being more mindful of
the fact that all processed

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foods are full of the drug
called refined sugar and

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gradually adopting, more of a
plant-based diet.

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And then the other, what we call
the secret weapon is something

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that I call transformational
cyclic fasting and

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transformational talked about
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Cyclic means doing things in
cycles and regularly and then

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that fasting is another
basically almost lost virtue in

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our Western culture of Plenty,
right?

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We have so much food at our
fingertips, all the time.

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And it doesn't really occur to
people to take a break from

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eating.
But when we do, when we fast,

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the results are nothing, less
than miraculous, you know,

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fasting is a miracle.
And the reason fasting so

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powerful is that digestion, is a
We've a lot of work and we don't

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think about it because it
happens, subconsciously.

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But if you eat a big New York
steak or something, that's like

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telling your digestive system
like, oh, go climb Mount Everest

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right now, you know?
It's just right.

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It's a huge project.
You just gave your your

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digestive equipment.
And there's been, you know, many

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clients who have come to us with
anxiety and depression.

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program where they get a handle

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on their physical health.
They start fasting cyclically

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regularly and They start doing
the other activities which are

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spiritual but not necessarily
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Yeah, I mean, just within the
span of eight weeks, people,

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give incredible physical
emotional and mental healing,

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which lifts their anxiety, and
depression in ways that they

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haven't known for years, or
maybe forever.

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Because, you know, a lot of
people coming to us and we

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explore the roots of their
situation and some people were,

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you know, seeing the police show
up at their house when there are

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five, you know, because Domestic
disturbance and there's

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alcoholism.
And the trauma goes just really

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deep and you know really early
trauma Kim goes back to the womb

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when you know somebody was
getting drunk you know and

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there's a lot of anxiety so yeah
people really are seeking deep

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healing and tips.
Go through our program, get it

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and they have transformation and
not only is it incredible to see

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the transformation that occurs
just in the span of the

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eight-week program.
But unlike the It Western system

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up here.
I want you to take these pills

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for the rest of your breaths.
We Empower people with the

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psychological tools that not
only get them tremendous results

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in a short time period but also
become part of their being so

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that they can draw upon these
safe natural and highly

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effective tools for the rest of
the time, they can build upon

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it.
They can go deeper draw in these

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tools forever and for free, you
know, because it's part of who

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they are.
Rather than something external,

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like take this pill or Surgery.
Yeah, I mean that's a lines.

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Also with we have a stem cell
therapy business too, and it's

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all about harnessing the body's
own healing capabilities rather

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than bringing in something for
and that's going to maybe mask

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symptoms, but also potentially
introduced, a whole host of

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other problems.
So I think really is just that

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ownership and really going
within mentally, physically,

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spiritually, which is so
important.

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And I think that's why what
you're doing is so important.

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What is on the horizon?
For Justin Grant.

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What's the next chapter look
like for you?

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Yeah, so the book spirituality
for busy people has been adapted

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into the online course with the
same name and everything we do

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is available at our website
spirituality for busy

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people.com, and then also on
socials were at spirituality for

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busy people.
So really, it's really just

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growing these programs.
You know, it's taken me years

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and decades to gather this
wisdom which didn't come for me.

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It came from spiritual genius.
Of the past that we all have the

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incredible luxury of standing on
their shoulders as we say and

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then we even folded it into
something that's practical and

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accessible and spiritual but not
necessarily religious to be

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attractive to people of all
sorts of different beliefs

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systems.
And yeah so it's been a

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tremendous effort to get all
this together.

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Really, what's next is just to
grow the program and to bring

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more people through so that they
can get individual healing.

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NG which naturally will
percolate out into society in

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way of societal healing and
making the world, a slightly

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better place you know one
individual at a time.

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Great.
And we've all heard the pithy

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phrase.
The eyes are the windows to the

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soul, and a less known.
But just, as powerful phrase, is

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that the breath is the path to
the soul.

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So, one of the meditations that
we guide people to and is

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available free for people who
just sign up to learn more about

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our program is breathing
meditation.

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Where it's as simple as getting
still and concentrating on the

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sensations of the breath
incoming and outgoing through

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the notes.
Because again, the breath is the

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pathway to the soul.
So if we have anxiety and

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depression, one of the quick
fixes which is safe, natural and

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effective, is to just meditate
on the breath coming in and out

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of your nose.
You know, if you can do it for

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30 seconds, that's better than
nothing.

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You can do it for three minutes
that's much better than nothing.

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And really You can get your
human self, your animal self, as

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it were more in touch with your
soul self, your higher self.

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And we do that to find peace and
joy and spiritual purpose just

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throughout our day.
So that's one of the basic

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techniques that we offer people
spirituality for busy people.

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Clients is to do the simple
breathing meditation and pardus

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the fact that the breath is the
path to the soul.

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Excellent.
Okay.

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Well Justin, it was so nice
speaking with you.

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You so much.
Insight and wisdom and just your

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approach.
I think will resonate with a lot

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of people who are looking for a
little bit of Shanti and quiet

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in their life, in this hyper
notified world that we live in.

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So we really want to thank you
for coming by.

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It's been a pleasure talking to
you.

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It has thank you for having me
nikhil and I hope people clean

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some benefit and yeah check us
out at spirituality for busy

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people to get more information
and get started for free.

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And anybody who's listening you
can follow us on the Shelly

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I'm Twitter and other social

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platforms.
And then, our blog and videos,

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and other resources are at
shelise ew.com.

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So, thank you so much for
listening.

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I'm Twitter and other social
platforms.

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And then, our blog and videos,
and other resources are at

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shelise ew.com.
So, thank you so much for

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listening.