50: Jason Goldberg Is Ruining Everything (Re-Broadcast) and...Happy 50th to Untether Your Life!

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What is the book title?
Prison Break mean does the

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author have a strong familiarity
with the penal system?

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Or was he trying to capitalize
on the popularity of TV shows

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like Oz?
How can reminding ourselves that

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we are playing a temporary role
helped anchor Us in moments of

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stress?
What does it mean?

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When we say our intuition is
drunk, and what can that cringey

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viral video of a David
Hasselhoff laying down, eating a

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cheeseburger on the floor.
Teach us about listening to our

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intuition.
When it's drunk, stay tuned as

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we touch on these and many other
topics on this.

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Week's episode of untether your
life.

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Welcome to untether your life, a
show that empowers you to own

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your own health Break Free of
templates for managing physical

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and mental wellness and looks at
Key issues, impacting the South

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Asian diaspora.
I am your host, nikhil torso car

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and I'm passionate about the
power of conversation to

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catalyze change.
Today is a big day for untether

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your life.
As we are celebrating our 50th

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episode.
I'm so grateful to all the

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listeners, guess and everyone
else who helped us get to this

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huge milestone.
I've had so many incredible

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guests on this show.
I wanted to highlight one

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standout who artfully combines
humor and insight to provide

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self improvement in a way that
isn't too preachy or

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self-serious.
Jason Goldberg.

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I had Jason on the show for
episode 36 and I so loved our

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discussion that I wanted to
rebroadcast it and

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commemorating.
This watershed moment in the

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untether, your life Journey, I'd
met Jason through Mindvalley an

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online personal growth platform
that really defies description.

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Probably the closest would be
tedx Meats.

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Burning, Man.
An historian aligns very well

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with the motto of untether your
life, which is to break free of

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templates Hands To Us by society
and own your own health.

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Jason is a tedx speaker bacon at
Aryan.

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That's a vegetarian, who eats
bacon?

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A funky sock lover, a former
rapper, who opened up for the

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Wu-Tang Clan, a former 332
pound, man who has lost over 130

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pounds, despite his affinity for
bacon.

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Jason is also a mindset mentor
and a leadership coach for

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celebrities change managers and
CEOs.

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He's also the host of the Jason
Gould.

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Is ruining podcast podcast.
Author of The International

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bestseller on self leadership
and titled prison break and

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creator of the playful
prosperity and competition proof

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business immersion programs and
with that let's get untethered.

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So Jason I just want to say
thanks so much for joining and

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it's a real pleasure to have you
on.

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Yeah ma'am.
I'm so excited to be here.

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Thanks for thanks for inviting
me on, it was great to see you

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most recently in l.a. here just
a few weeks ago which was an

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incredible event and love the
work that you and Shelly are

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doing.
I think it's just it It's such

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such incredibly important and
such needed conversation for us

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to be having as much as
possible.

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So I'm totally on board with
everything you guys are working

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on.
Yeah, thanks so much, man.

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I think I want to start off with
the title of the book Prison

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Break.
What does the term Prison Break

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mean?
Were you on the TV show Oz?

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Or what?
What, what is?

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What is your background in your
relationship with the, with the

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penal experience?
I guess we're sure we're jumping

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right into it.
Are we going right into it?

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I just wanted to rip off the
Name of the TV show and hope

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that people would buy my book
thinking, it was about this

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issue, which it was funny at
that at the last, a Fest in

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Jordan, back in May, women
become up to me.

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She goes, I'm such a huge fan of
your show and I said, what show

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she's in prison break.
I don't like all that different

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for me.
The title of the book came out

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of a conversation with one of my
coaches but the entire premise

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behind that was it was about how
do you how did it feel to live

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the way that I did for the first
30 years?

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Right?
And the way I live for the first

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30 years, was being really a
victim of circumstance going on

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in the world, right?
So if good things were happening

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that I was happy about things
were happening, I was sad.

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And so, I'm constantly the whim
of my emotions and what's

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happening in the, in the economy
and what's happening in the

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politics and like, all these
different things that became the

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kind of, you know, deciding
factor on how my life would

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feel.
And I didn't know any other way

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because I was raised by a mom
who I love to death.

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You know, single mother.
Only child.

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I was always the two of us
single Jewish mother so she can

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hear Thing that we're saying
right now all the way in Florida

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and she misses only was it.
Yeah, yeah and she was never

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raised with any of this kind of
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So she also believed that, if
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to kind of mold and modifying
manipulate everything around you

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in order to be happy.
And that was how I was for the

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first 30 years.
And it really felt like I was in

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a prison of my own making, it
really felt like I was being

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held captive by something.
You know, the trick of this

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entire thing is that there is no
prison.

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It's we are both the captive and
the cap torque but it feels that

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way if Feels like there's
something that's holding us down

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and it's not life is not going
to get better unless everything

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out there changes.
And so that's kind of what the

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premise of the book is.
Its how do you break out of this

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self-imposed prison of the mind
and hopefully have a little fun

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in the process?
That's it's a big thing for me

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is to inject as much humor as
possible in the personal growth

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because otherwise, it gets
really serious and really heavy

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sometimes know, I love that
because the term prison break,

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it's very in a lot of ways.
It's similar to our book and our

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platform with the Shelley story.
It's about untethering, your

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life, regardless.
Of race Creed or color or age.

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I think there are a lot of
self-imposed shackles that we

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walk around with and whether
it's what's on our business

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card.
Whether it's that deal we just

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signed we're really tethering
our well-being to what is going

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on around us.
So I think that is a Surefire

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recipe for disaster.
So I've read the book and I'm

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like I was telling you before.
I mean, it's incredible.

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It's a great mix of insight and
humor.

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But in a nutshell, I mean, how
did you, how did your Shawshank

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Redemption come about?
Like how does your, how did you

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manage to engineer a prison
break in your life and how are

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you helping people to do that?
Yeah I mean it's different for

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everybody but it all comes from
a different level of

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understanding, right?
If you if you've only ever

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inhaled your entire life than
somebody introducing you to the

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concept of exhaling, it
literally changes your life.

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Like let's it doesn't have to be
a massive business to be a

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complex thing for it to be
transformational the first step

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for me.
I was really beginning to

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understand the role that I was
playing in the experience that I

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was having that's not meant to
be an opening for shame and

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blame and beating yourself up
which is exactly what I did.

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When I when I first had this
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that I was the cause for lack of
a better word, we can dive

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deeper into that.
But the language I had back then

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was that I was the cause when I
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kind of the the first chapter of
the book prison break.

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It's called the day the universe
cut me off, and it was this

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moment where I had this
Something happened with my bank,

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which really shined light on the
fact that while I was living my

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life through the lens of, who
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And that's just the way I am.
Like these permanent pervasive

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things that I thought.
It's who I am.

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If that's just who I am, I get
angry.

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That's just who I am.
I get, you know, sad about

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things where I get mad about
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dictated by outside things.
That's just the way I am.

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It was very rigid.
It was it was like, writing your

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name internally finishes?
Yeah, it's just there forever.

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And so, it was that day that
started started Deliberation.

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It didn't feel like Liberation
that first day when I had that

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realization of like oh wow I'm
doing this to myself.

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But eventually the more I do of
into it and ask myself like

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listen, there are people who
have been through objectively

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far, worse things than I had
been through and I've been

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through some stuff and this is
not to compare traumas.

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You can drown in eight feet of
water, or eight inches of water,

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but, but the fact remains that,
there are people that I saw

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that, I felt had objectively,
been through things that were

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even tougher than that.
I've been through and they

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didn't seem to be suffering the
way that I suffered And so, it

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became something for me, you
know, my background was in tech.

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I was in tech Consulting for 15
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And so, a big part of that is
reverse engineering.

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Looking at the way things work,
breaking him down, reverse

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engineering, so you can build it
up again, somewhere else in a

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different way.
And so, I applied that same

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thing here and said, well, what
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These people know that, I don't
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I feel like I'm a fairly smart
guy and I'm missing something.

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So, maybe there's something here
for me to learn.

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And that's when I really started
diving into personal growth, but

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I wasn't until I was 29.
I was almost 30 years old by

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that point.
So it's not like this was not

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something introduced to me at 16
and I've Doing it my whole life.

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I was a grown man with, you
know, who was married at the

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time and having well over six
figure salary and have the house

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of the car and all the things
and I still had ever been

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exposed in that stuff.
So that was a big turning point

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for me is just to be exposed to
those Concepts.

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We talked earlier about how the
Surefire way to guaranteed

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misery is to have your
happiness, dictated by external

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factors and sort of the
situations.

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And that's an interesting thing
to think about, because people

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would not believe it.
You used to be 330 pounds, and

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now you're in really good shape.
I'd love to hear more about sort

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of what how weight loss played
out for you.

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I mean, in terms of like, what
impact did that have on your

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overall happiness because
obviously self-image is huge.

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What was that like for you?
I mean was it like basically you

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shed the weight and then all of
a sudden the skies parted and

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you were just a Happy Clam or
was it a little bit different I

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loved if you could walk me
through that a little bit.

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Yeah.
And that's it's so funny that

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you ask that because that's
exactly what it wasn't.

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And I'm glad it happened that
way because it had.

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It had to help reinforce for me
that external things happening

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are not always going to make you
happy.

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If they did, they would
continually make you happy, they

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had you know, this thing they
did with kids, I think it was at

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Harvard where they had you know,
they asked all the kids like you

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know raise your hand if you
getting your acceptance letter

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to Harvard was the best day of
your life and everybody's hand

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shoots up and now they've been
in school for six months or a

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year and they say, okay now keep
your hand up.

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If you still feel that level of
excitement for being a student

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at Harvard and all the hands,
Down.

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And it's like, well, well if the
thing made you happy, then the

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thing should always make you
happy.

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If the thing doesn't make you
happy, if it makes you happy at

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one point, it doesn't make you
happy to another point.

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Then where do they happiness?
Actually come from.

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The thing that I believe here is
that resistance plays a huge

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role in our experience of Life
resistance to our experience.

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And so it's really interesting
to think about this through the

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lens of what if the reason that
I am happy?

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When I get the letter from
Harvard, I'm happy when I get

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married.
I'm Happy when I close the sale,

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like, whatever those things are.
What if the reason I'm happy is

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not because of the thing that
happened, but because I wasn't

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in resistance to the thing that
happened and people never think

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about including myself.
I never thought about resistance

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as it relates to positive
things, we're always told like,

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oh, don't resist your sadness.
Don't resist your fear.

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Don't resist your whatever, but
but notice that saying, yes,

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which happens by default, when
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part of you that has to think
about it, but saying yes, to an

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experience that is quote, happy
is what brought you the And that

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can be flipped around if you go
to give me ten thousand dollars

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and you say Jason I got this ten
thousand dollars.

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I want to give it to you and I
go.

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No I just I can't I can't
receive that.

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I can't accept that.
I've just said no to something

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and now you trying to give me
ten thousand dollars.

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Doesn't make me happy where most
people would say.

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Like know if you give me 10,000
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I wouldn't be happy.
Well, I just showed you one,

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right?
And so it's if we are in

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resistance to a good thing, it's
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resistance to a bad thing.
It's the exact same thing.

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So if that logic works and the
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as well.
If we are open to and say yes to

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the good things and also our
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bad things are uncomfortable.
Things are heavy things, then

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maybe we can have an experience
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Regardless of what's going on.
Now, there may be a different

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level of what it feels like
happiness for you.

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But what if you could have like
a contented Joy, maybe it's not

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a crazy enthusiastic over the
top joint but what if you can

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have a contented Joy just by
saying yes, to the things you

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would normally say no to, like,
falling into like, basically I

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think is like yeah, yeah.
Yeah exactly for your falling in

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like instead of falling in love
it's a huge huge thing and the

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more I can do that the more I
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Yes to this.
I welcome that you're allowed

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in.
Come on in, sit down.

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I invite you in the more that I
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I notice that my sadness is not
caused by events.

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My sadness is caused by the
resistance that I have to

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actually having those events be
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That's great.
The thing that I love in your

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book, Jason is just the way you
sort of Peel back the onion.

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In you look at different layers
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Expressions that are used.
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interesting things was, you
know, you were circumstance of

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not just wait like physical
weight but also like temporal

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the concept of waiting and sort
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around the other thing that I
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you to talk about more is the
concept of play.

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The traditional definition of
play is one that I don't really

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do a whole lot with at least not
in coaching and stuff.

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So I like to have fun and be
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And make jokes and all that
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But that's that's not what I
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When I talk about being more
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secondary definition, right?
It's like it's it's bringing and

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energy of play of lightness of
levity.

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It's shifting from being serious
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As Alan Watts talks.
It's having that shift.

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So, you know, if you watch kids
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they are playing video games,
but they are determine you could

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like smack them on the back of
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attention at all.
They can go 48 hours, straight

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over the weekend playing.
Their video games without going

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to the bathroom one time and
nobody would say that they were

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just being frivolous.
They are like dialed in and

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really, really sincere about
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So it's a matter of bringing
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How do we bring that level of
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your present.
When you're in play, you're

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curious when you're in play,
your focus, when you're in play

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your collaborative, when you're
in play, your creative when

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you're in play.
Like these are all the kind of

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forms of play.
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this, it's how do we play with
what's going on between our

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ears, right?
How do we, how do we play improv

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with?
It's going on between our ears.

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If we can look at all the
thoughts, in our head is just

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kind of fuel for the best improv
game that's ever been invented.

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Then we can approach it in a
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We can use this stuff instead of
being used by it.

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So, that's, that's a big part of
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For me, is, how do we play with
the thoughts that are in our

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head?
When I look at the most

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stressful thing going on in my
life and asking myself?

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How can I play with this to, the
doesn't mean like, how can I

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ignore this?
It doesn't mean how can I get

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drunk?
And pretend this isn't actually

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a thing in my life.
It's like, how can I play with

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this?
How can I bring a spirit of play

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to the things that I'm doing?
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And that goes back to what you
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being a victim of your
circumstance.

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Did you ever watch that show?
Cheers.

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I don't know if that's AI, don't
know.

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Yeah, sure.
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So I kind of, I don't know if
anyone's ever like I kind of got

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some Cliff Clavin vibes from a
lot of the stuff, you were

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bringing up and turns it, right?
Well, it is Sammy.

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You know, circumstances from the
Latin to stand around and I was

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like Jason's channeling his
inner inner Cliff Clavin saw.

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Oh, that's so funny.
No, I've never heard that

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before.
The first time.

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Yeah, the other thing that is
interesting is you've got your

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book Prison Break.
Tell me the name of your podcast

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again.
So the name of the podcast is

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that the Jason Goldberg is
ruining podcasting podcast,

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right?
It seems like destruction is

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kind of at the core of a lot of
what you're doing.

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Tell me more about sort of like
what is the philosophy behind

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that title?
Jason Goldberg is ruining

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podcasting.
Yeah it's you know for me I just

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I'm always somebody who Wants to
try to do things in a in a

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slightly different way than it's
ever been done by get.

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I'm very uninspired by creating
something.

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That's derivative of what
somebody else is already done.

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And that's different than
stealing like an artist.

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It's different than being
revolutionary or evolutionary, I

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should say it.
What you create taking what

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you've, what you've seen from
other people bringing your spin

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into it.
Make me your own that, that's

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how I think really great things
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But just to say, like, you know,
oh, this person is doing a

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10-person leadership group.
I don't want to do a 10-person

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leadership group, but that's all
He being done.

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Like how do I make it done in my
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And so I'm always looking at how
can I put the JG spin on things.

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And everybody has their own
version of this every single

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person watching this or
listening to this, there's

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something they can do to make
whatever it is, they're doing

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their own, and that's how it
becomes unique and original.

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And so, for me, the whole
concept of the podcast was it

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felt like for a lot of podcasts.
If you look at somebody who's

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kind of on the podcasting
circuit, like maybe they're

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promoting a book, or they're
doing whatever you could kind of

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hit play on five of them.
Views at the same time and

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you'll get kind of the same
conversation all the way through

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right with slight variations.
It's like if you meet a few if

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you mute the news, if you're a
fox Watcher and you mute Fox,

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you know what they're saying.
If you're an MSNBC Watcher, you

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watch MSNBC you mute it.
You still know what they're

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saying like they're on script
all the time and so I wanted to

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say, well what if what if we
change the way that's done?

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What if we brought something in
that felt more unique to me or

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more aligned with me, which I
love like the late-night Vibe so

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I brought more of a late night
dive into it.

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What if it became more playful
and what if the goal wasn't Sara

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Lee to get people, to love your
work, you being the guest.

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What if my, what if my job was
not to get the listeners to love

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my guesswork but instead to love
my guest, as a human and that

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would lead to them wanting to
dive more into the work.

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And so that became the thing is,
I had all these different titles

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and I brought them to the team
and I had this one, the Jason

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Goldberg ruining podcasting
podcast and I said it kind of as

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a joke and they were like wait
we like that one.

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I'm like nah we're not really
going to call it that but why

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not?
I'm like screw it.

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Let's do it and then it just
came.

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Yeah.
Now a mean it with a title like

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that it's kind of like you know,
you have to you have to tune in.

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It's almost like you want to
Rubberneck the Carnage.

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You know, you want to see what
kind of learn Fire, it's going

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to be right, so I have listened
to it.

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It's a good podcast, you're
definitely overstating.

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The catastrophic nature of it,
it's fun.

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I mean, you know that we did a
lot of fun stuff we've, you

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know, I would always come up
with games specifically for the

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guests and so if you can watch
the video version of it, it's

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really funny.
If you want to see a guy with a

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viral poem that's been seen by
300, When people wear a rubber

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band around his neck and have
water, spilling out of his face,

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as he's trying to sing a song
that I'm trying to guess, then

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you probably should watch my
podcast.

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Okay.
I gotta dig a little bit deeper

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there, I think so.
You know, obviously we have here

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for people who are listening to
podcast, they won't see it, but

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the chyron that we have here, it
says that you are a celebrity

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mental performance.
Coach, can you tell me a little

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bit more about your coaching
practice like in terms of the

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profile of clients you work with
people?

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You've helped Like some problems
because, you know, regardless of

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how many zeros you have in your
paycheck, people are people.

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I mean, The Human Condition is
the same if you're having

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problems.
So I'm sure people listening

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this can relate regardless of,
you know, which celebrity is.

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I mean there's a I don't really
care so much, what the person's

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profile is, I just want to be
inspired by what it is.

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They want to work on Starbucks
Barista or a janitor or whatever

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could kind of counting like
whoever can come to me and if

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what they wanted to work on
something that I felt really

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inspired to help them with that
I'd be open to doing it.

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Primarily though, what that ends
up being is kind of two, sides

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of the coaching.
One is more of a CEO side or

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people that are leaders usually
in small smaller businesses.

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Usually, it's around sub 10
million or around 10 million or

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less.
And so, that's the one side.

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And then the other side is
people that are in entertainment

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and media.
And so, that's going to be

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actors, directors, writers
people that are in entertainment

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and that's a really special one
to me because being raised by a

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single mom, I was kind of Pop
down in front of the TV from a

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very young age, I was kind of
raised a lot by television and

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became A television fanatic.
And what I've gotten from that,

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like just the the ability, I
think to speak better into to be

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funny and it tells stories like
all of that or so much of that

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came from me.
Witnessing these professionals,

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do it on TV.
And then I remember when I first

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wanted to become a speaker and I
was asking people, like, you

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know, what are some things I
should do to become a better

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speaker, and they said, you got
to watch the great watch.

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Tony Robbins.
Watch Les Brown.

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Watch Zig Ziglar and I'm
watching them.

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And again, this like I don't
want to do it the way everybody

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else does it kicked in.
And I'm like these guys, they're

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amazing and Are all kind of
doing the same thing with like

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the motivational thing.
And so I was thinking to myself,

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well, who else can really
Captivate an audience and tell

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stories and it stand-up comics,
like they're so good at that.

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So instead of watching a bunch
of Les Brown Zig, Ziglar, Tony

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Robbins I started watching the
Great's and comedy and noticing,

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how they really just captivated
audience with their storytelling

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and how clever they are and how
they just have the audience

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eating out of the palm of their
hands.

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And so that became a thing for
me to really dive into.

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And so being able to now, coach
people that are in

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entertainment, it feels like a
give back that.

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I'm Ting to contribute to a
thing that's given so much to

448
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,900
me.
So so that's kind of the two

449
00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:09,800
sides of the business.
As far as what we work on, it's

450
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,700
really no different.
I mean the actual situation

451
00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:14,500
itself will be different.
I'm thinking of a client has

452
00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:16,600
been an actress.
Very successful actress for the

453
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,700
last 20-something years, that
huge huge hits on TV and in

454
00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:23,000
movies.
And then she was moving into

455
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,800
directing, and now she has to
manage an entire crew in an

456
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,300
entire team and she has to
become a leader, and it's like,

457
00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:30,300
it's different than being the
performer, right?

458
00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:32,000
Even writing something.
And having somebody else

459
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,100
produced and directed.
That's Whole different thing,

460
00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:35,600
right?
She had to really step into

461
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,100
this.
So in the same way I worked with

462
00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:40,900
her on leadership and
communication and enrolling, her

463
00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:43,800
team into a vision, all these
things on a movie set, it's no

464
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,600
different than when I work with
the CEO of a Mental Health

465
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,400
institution, who's trying to
grow that business and knows

466
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,800
that he needs his team to really
be on board with his vision.

467
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,300
And so, the things we work with
situations, we work with that

468
00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:58,000
were attending to may be
different but the core elements

469
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,100
of how do I how do I show up as
a self leader instead of a

470
00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:02,000
prisoner?
How do I have really effective

471
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,100
communication?
How do I get People enrolled in

472
00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:07,400
my vision, how do I get really
clear on who I actually am?

473
00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:10,400
So that I know when my ego is
trying to run the show versus my

474
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,100
true self is trying to run the
show, right?

475
00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:14,700
What's the identity that I need
to shift in order to really show

476
00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:16,300
up in my best?
To make the biggest difference

477
00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:18,300
in the biggest contribution with
the thing that I'm creating in

478
00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:22,000
the world that is across the
board with every client in some

479
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000
way, shape or form.
That's how that stuff always

480
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,600
shows up.
Yeah.

481
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,400
And obviously, intuition is
something that plays into this,

482
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,000
and I think there was a chapter
in your book says, like your

483
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,300
intuition is drunk.
Yeah, that was a very

484
00:21:34,300 --> 00:21:37,300
interesting topic because my
wife is, you know, Shelly, she's

485
00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:40,900
also a very big Mindvalley, fits
a huge fan of Sonia show, cat

486
00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:44,200
who obviously knows loves
finally got there so she's and I

487
00:21:44,208 --> 00:21:46,700
think Christie Marie.
Sheldon those are the two big

488
00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:49,500
intuition people that she's
really into, but you have a

489
00:21:49,508 --> 00:21:51,500
pretty interesting, take on
intuition.

490
00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:56,000
So I'd love to hear more about
that because the sort of a

491
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,300
mantra is just follow your
intuition.

492
00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:01,600
Follow your heart etcetera, but
in some ways you're saying that

493
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,100
could actually be dangerous.
So I'd love love to hear more a

494
00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:06,500
little bit about that.
Sort of how how your intuition

495
00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:09,100
might maybe Lead You And Lead
You astray.

496
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,300
Yeah, totally intuition is a
very popular thing that people

497
00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:14,400
are talking about in a lot of
different ways and I love

498
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,700
intuition and I have maybe a
slightly different definition of

499
00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:20,500
intuition that I think a lot of
people think intuition is

500
00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:24,000
directly a like connection to
Source kind of thing and it's

501
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,900
completely spiritual or
metaphysical.

502
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,200
I tend to think that's one
element but I think it's also

503
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:33,200
your own objectivity, your own
percent tivity, your ability to

504
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,000
make Judgment to look at your
own experience and your bias and

505
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,800
taken information to be
observant and all those things.

506
00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:40,900
So, I think all those things
together created tuition, the

507
00:22:40,900 --> 00:22:45,000
challenge becomes when we try to
use a thing like intuition as a

508
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,900
blanket tool and we don't look a
little bit deeper about the

509
00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:50,200
source of that because for
example, of I came to you and

510
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:55,300
said the secret to living until
your 200 years old is to drink

511
00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:57,700
eight glasses of water a day.
That's all I tell you and you go

512
00:22:57,700 --> 00:22:59,200
cool while I want to live Tom
200.

513
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,700
I guess I'm going to drink eight
glasses of water a day and then

514
00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:05,000
I run into three months later
and And your eyes are yellow and

515
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,200
your skin is like, discolored
and like you're falling asleep.

516
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,000
Your eyes aren't even open all
the way and you seem really

517
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,700
lethargic and like, what's going
on?

518
00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:13,700
Man is I'm like, I don't know.
I've been drinking eight glasses

519
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:15,400
of water a day, but it's just
not working.

520
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,400
I'm like, well, where are you
getting this water from?

521
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,000
He said, oh there's this like
sewer like thing behind my house

522
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,100
but I mean, it's water.
So I figured it'd be fine.

523
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,600
It's like, well, well no, we
gotta look at the source.

524
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,000
We can't just say like its
water.

525
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,300
It's he has me clean water,
right?

526
00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:30,600
And higher Waters water.
And so the same thing happens

527
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,200
here.
So this chapter in the book is

528
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,400
actually number one.
The one that comes up the most

529
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,700
interviews and number to my
personal favorite, as in the one

530
00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:41,100
I go back to for my own
reminders, most often what I'm

531
00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:45,200
talking about in this in this
chapter is to imagine there's

532
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,800
somebody in your life whether
it's a coach, or a, you know, a

533
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,700
family member or friend or
whoever it is that no matter

534
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,000
what you're going through, you
can go to them and they will

535
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,800
drop everything and they'll be
there for you.

536
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,900
They have a give great advice
great Insight.

537
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:58,100
They have your best interest at
heart.

538
00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:00,800
They want you to be happy.
And one day you're really really

539
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,800
struggling and you go to their
house and you open The door to

540
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,000
try to get some help from them
and when you walk in you see

541
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,100
that they are on the floor
completely drunk.

542
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:11,600
Just like obliterated drooling,
out of their mouth, try and eat

543
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,200
a cheeseburger on the floor,
like David Hasselhoff and and

544
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:20,400
doing all that stuff and so, so,
so thank you.

545
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Thank you for ruining my
afternoon.

546
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,200
I can't get that missile.
It's, it's a, it's a hell of an

547
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,700
image to have in your head.
I apologize.

548
00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:35,400
I came for you.
At your first thought probably

549
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,400
is not going to be to ask them
for advice, right?

550
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,700
You look at them and you
probably switch things up in

551
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:42,700
that moment.
You say you know what, I know

552
00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:44,600
that I'm dealing with something
right now but this person is

553
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,700
always been there for me,
they're always so good to me.

554
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,200
They always look out for me.
They're not in a great spot

555
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,900
right now.
I think I need to look out for

556
00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:52,500
them for a few minutes.
I need to have a little

557
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:55,800
compassion for that and then
once they sober up, maybe if I

558
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,600
still have a question, I'll ask
him a question.

559
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,900
And so, that's the way I look at
intuition, is that sometimes our

560
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,100
intuition is drunk.
We're in a low State of Mind.

561
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:05,100
Whether ER, it's just because
our thoughts are going crazy,

562
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:07,300
we're feeling overwhelmed
something, triggered us,

563
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:10,400
whatever it is.
So to ask our quote, intuition

564
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,800
for guidance when it's at such a
low level of Consciousness,

565
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,100
we're not going to get anything
that's actually helpful.

566
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:18,200
In fact, most of the time what
people think is their issue

567
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,700
intuition talking to them, when
they're in a low State of

568
00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:24,200
Consciousness, it's just their
ego beating them up and and to

569
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,100
me your intuition will never be
unkind.

570
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:29,200
Your intuition may be direct and
your intuition may say things to

571
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,200
you to make you feel
uncomfortable but it'll never be

572
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,100
unkind, right?
So if you're Your intuition for

573
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:36,800
some kind of advice or guidance
and you get an unkind response.

574
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,600
You say, you know, intuition I
just really I really need to

575
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,600
have some direction on what I
should do next to my business

576
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,200
and intuition goes, are you sure
you're even cut out to be an

577
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,000
entrepreneur?
Well, that's not your freaking

578
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,200
intuition, right?
That's that's been unkind thing.

579
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,800
Say so instead what I say is if
you're feel like in a low level

580
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,600
of Consciousness and you have
something you really want to ask

581
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,600
your intuition for guidance, on
let it sober up first and just

582
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,000
like a person who's really drunk
and real life, you can't force

583
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,100
them to get sober any quicker
than they get.

584
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:06,400
Sober people think it greasy
cheeseburger and, and like, milk

585
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,800
or something.
We'll do it, it doesn't do it.

586
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,300
Science.
Science has proven that doesn't

587
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:13,100
work that way, but if you just
allow the system to do, what it

588
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:16,000
does, it will naturally return
to a higher level of

589
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,900
Consciousness, especially if
you're not resisting it.

590
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:20,700
And then once it comes back to a
higher level of Consciousness,

591
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,300
then you can ask at the
question.

592
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:24,800
So just be aware that the level
of Consciousness.

593
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,600
Your added, any given moment is
really important to know before

594
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,300
you dive in.
And if you if you notice,

595
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:34,100
there's a there's a power in
noticing When you're in a low

596
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:36,400
mood.
And what I mean by that is, is

597
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,100
that, if I'm, if I'm sitting
there and I see all my friends

598
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:45,000
doing jumping jacks, and I say,
I want to do jumping jacks, but

599
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,900
I can't do jumping jacks.
And I'm so pissed off that, I

600
00:26:46,908 --> 00:26:49,100
can't do jumping jacks and
what's wrong with me and how did

601
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,100
I screw up in life?
And why am I such a loser?

602
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:54,000
All these things about jumping
jacks, and then I looked down,

603
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,200
and I noticed that I have a
broken leg, it still sucks that

604
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,000
I can't do jumping jacks, but at
least I go.

605
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:01,200
Okay, well, this makes sense my
legs broke it.

606
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,400
So I just need to let it heal.
So, We give me spaces where

607
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,800
we're like sad or upset, or
angry, just noticing of like oh

608
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,600
you know what?
I'm going to really low mood.

609
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:11,900
There's no way I'm going to come
up with a solution right now.

610
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,700
I need to allow myself to just
settle.

611
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:16,200
I need to allow this shoke
shaken up snow globe that I'm

612
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,000
living in right now to just
settle on its own and when it

613
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,500
does, then I can check in and
see what the next best course of

614
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:25,600
action would be Okay, so
basically follow that advice,

615
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,600
stop it and see what condition
my condition was in.

616
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,400
I don't know who it was that a
Kenny Rogers song?

617
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,200
A guy not a Kenny Rogers guy.
I'm sorry.

618
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,600
I can't help you don't doesn't
doesn't erase a sample that in

619
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,100
one of his tracks that it can.
You probably got everything

620
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:46,600
under the sun.
In terms of they talk about

621
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,600
activating Peak states with flow
and meditation mindfulness,

622
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,800
like, what are some ways that
you found to be helpful?

623
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,100
For in terms of getting your
intuition sober up or getting

624
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,900
into those ideal States.
If there's a specific type of

625
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,700
meditation.
Obviously, if Visions listening,

626
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:05,200
you know, we're doing the
six-phase meditation, of course,

627
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,300
every day version.
The five-phase Meditation member

628
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:09,400
because I'm going to be met,
right?

629
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,500
Um, so yeah, I'm just kidding.
Yeah, I love six phases.

630
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:15,400
Awesome.
I think it's a really great one

631
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,400
and I meditate every morning for
at least 20 minutes, usually, 30

632
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,900
minutes.
But if you know, 20 to 30

633
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:22,600
minutes every morning first
thing like just sit up in bed,

634
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,100
right?
In the meditation still kind of

635
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:26,400
in Theta because I'm not fully
awake yet and just Dive Right

636
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,000
In.
So that's really helpful.

637
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,300
But the thing, the tool that I
use the most and it changes over

638
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:34,300
time as I'm doing this, like,
certain tools will resonate for

639
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:35,900
me at certain times.
And then at certain times, they

640
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:38,400
won't the one that I lean into
the most right now.

641
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,300
And I've been leading into for a
while, is all around identity

642
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,000
and really.
I mean, these are these are the

643
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,100
three things I help my clients
with number one.

644
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,800
It's how to shift their identity
so they can, you know, know who

645
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,500
they truly are and create what
they want to create in the

646
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:52,400
world, knowing how to navigate
their thinking, so they can have

647
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,100
more peace.
More joy, less stress less

648
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,600
suffering and then how to take
more consistent purposeful

649
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,000
action out in the world out in
the world of form.

650
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:02,200
And so that first one though,
the identity piece is such a

651
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:06,100
core piece because if you think
about this for a minute, you see

652
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,600
a crisp and he did the vomo.
Well, he's great.

653
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,800
But he also has this company
called my intent and they make

654
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,800
these bracelets, you can get
these, like custom bracelets.

655
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,600
He had a bunch of great fans
there.

656
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,800
Okay.
I didn't realize that was Chris.

657
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is
coming.

658
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,200
He was an early Facebook
employee and now he has this

659
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,500
couple of the, with the
bracelets.

660
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,400
So I'll tell you my Needs a
minute.

661
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,800
But so imagine this.
Imagine that you are, you are

662
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,300
the director of one of the
Batman movies, right?

663
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,500
One of the actual Batman
franchise movies when you think

664
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,100
of Batman.
What actor do you think of?

665
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:36,000
Because there's been so many.
I think I'm Christian Bale.

666
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,200
I'm not huge.
Okay Christian Bale fine.

667
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,600
We can use.
Yeah well use Christian Bale.

668
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,400
So imagine that you are the
director of Batman with

669
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,000
Christian Bale and you film a
scene in Batman's doing is

670
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,600
Batman thing or whatever.
And you yell cut scenes over,

671
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,200
you're talking to the crew,
you're getting ready for the

672
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,200
next scene, everything else, and
you look over and you see Him

673
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,400
pacing back and forth on the set
like looking really stressed out

674
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,900
and so he's your star.
You want to make sure he's okay.

675
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:00,000
So you walk up to him, you go
him.

676
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,600
And what's going on?
You look stressed.

677
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,300
And he goes, man, I don't know,
like, what if what if I'm not

678
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,700
strong enough to beat The Joker,
right?

679
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:12,400
What if my technology is not
powerful enough and what if the

680
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,100
people of Gotham die and then
it's all my fault.

681
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:16,800
Like how am I supposed to live
with the fact that all these

682
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,300
innocent people died because I
wasn't powerful enough?

683
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,600
And you're looking at him
thinking, like, what the hell is

684
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,000
he talking about?
It's a movie.

685
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,400
Like this doesn't make any
sense, but you want to be, you

686
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,800
know, compassionate empathetic.
And so you have two choices.

687
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,100
Number one, you can say.
Okay Batman.

688
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,800
Let's figure out how to make
your text stronger and beat The

689
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,700
Joker and say the people of
Gotham or you can remind him

690
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,600
that he's Christian Bale playing
the role of Batman.

691
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,600
Hmm and when you really get that
when you really really

692
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,900
understand that that is a role
you are playing but it's not who

693
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,300
you are.
Then you can relate differently

694
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,700
to what those problems are.
It's not to say that Batman

695
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,500
doesn't actually have things out
in the world of form that need

696
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,200
to be attended to.
This is not about putting your

697
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,800
head in the sand and just not
doing anything about your life.

698
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,000
But if I'm sitting here in the
same way, if you have a child

699
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,500
and the child has a Barbie doll
on the Barbie doll, head gets

700
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,400
popped off and they are
screaming their lungs out.

701
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,700
You relate to that problem
differently, because you've seen

702
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:13,900
this before and you know, that
the head just pops right back on

703
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,700
the body and we're good to go,
that's the relationship.

704
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,400
I want to bring to my quote
problems or the problems that my

705
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,600
ego.
Has it.

706
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,100
So all actually have this as a
practice for myself where I will

707
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:25,900
call it out as if I'm talking to
somebody, even with nobody here.

708
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,700
I will say today, I'm playing
the role of Jason, the

709
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:32,300
frustrated entrepreneur, who
thinks this project should be

710
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,000
moving along more quickly,
right?

711
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,400
That is the role that I am
playing today.

712
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,400
I am Oscar award-winning when it
comes to that, right, that I can

713
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,500
mail that roll all day.
And so, then I said here,

714
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,600
usually, I'll close my eyes for
10 or 15 seconds and I'll say in

715
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,400
this moment right now without an
attachment to that identity.

716
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,600
I'm Not pushing it away.
I'm not reframing it, I'm not

717
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,400
pretending, it's not there.
Seeing the identity of Jason

718
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,000
these the frustrated
entrepreneur.

719
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:57,700
How does it feel?
Right here?

720
00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:59,900
Right now?
Just In This Moment, without an

721
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:03,400
attachment to that role, right?
If they yelled cut and I've gone

722
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,600
back to my trailer, how does it
feel being back in my trailer

723
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:08,900
after we have cut?
Do I feel a little more

724
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,400
peaceful?
Do I feel more stressful?

725
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,400
Like what do I feel with that?
And when I sit with that again,

726
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,800
for 10 or 15 seconds, I always
feel some sense of Peace because

727
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,700
it, Is this thing because the
threats that we experience our

728
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:25,400
only threats to our egos unless
you're in a war zone or you're

729
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,400
walking down the street at night
and there's some guy picking his

730
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,700
teeth with a machete.
But for the most part, the

731
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:31,900
things that we experience, they
are threats to our ego.

732
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,400
They're not for us to who we
actually are.

733
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:36,500
So if we can depersonalize, who
we actually are from the ego,

734
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:39,200
then we get to say, oh ego, I
see that you have actual

735
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,300
problems and I'm here to help
you from a peaceful State who

736
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:45,500
doesn't confuse Who I Am with
the ego having these problems.

737
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,000
And so if the reminder for me, I
have this bracelet that I've

738
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,700
made that says not Batman.
Yeah.

739
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:51,900
And that's my reminder that.
I'm not that man.

740
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:54,900
But I am Jason Goldberg playing
the role of Batman in any given

741
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:56,900
day.
And when I forget that, when I

742
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:59,700
confuse Who I Am with, these
thoughts, and feelings, and

743
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:03,800
emotions, and stories, then I
suffer when I create some space,

744
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,200
that's when I don't suffer
anymore.

745
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:07,900
I love that.
I love that.

746
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,700
Mine says breed.
So I just got one of the regular

747
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:13,800
bracelets, but that's that's a
great one.

748
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,900
It's, it is so important
Mindvalley.

749
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:19,800
I'd like, I want to hear more
about your experience with my

750
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,100
belly because for me it's been a
complete Game Changer.

751
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,300
I always say it's the three C's
the content community, and

752
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,200
connections, just, and the
fourth one being cacao.

753
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,800
But they're, you know, they had
some Ceremonies for that, but

754
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,700
that's optional, right?
That's an interest.

755
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:35,200
But what what is Mindvalley
meant to you?

756
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:37,400
I wish they'd tedx.
It's burning man.

757
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,500
But what is mine Valley meant to
you?

758
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,700
Yeah, I mean I first heard about
Mindvalley in like 2011.

759
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,300
Yeah. 2011 was the first time I
heard this is when I was in my

760
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,800
abs and my first startup at that
time, it was a transportation

761
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,600
startup.
And I happened to meet some guy

762
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,700
and I was in a tech incubator at
that point with my first

763
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:55,200
startup.
And he came in to do some talk

764
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,000
about like purpose and vision
and stuff like that, and he gave

765
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000
me as a gift.
This USB drive with these things

766
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,600
called philosophers notes, on
them and philosophers notes.

767
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,100
This guy called Brian Johnson,
he writes he's like six page.

768
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,900
Summaries of all the different
spiritual and personal growth

769
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:11,199
books out there.
And he gave this to me as a

770
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:12,900
gift.
And so then I went to go look up

771
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:15,699
Brian Johnson and I saw that
Mindvalley was actually the

772
00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:17,500
distributor for his philosophers
known.

773
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,400
So, that's how I heard about
Mindvalley in 2011.

774
00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:22,199
And then, it wasn't until years
later, like I didn't even know

775
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,100
they had Live Events.
The whole like tedx Meats

776
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:26,699
burning man, that's great for
the Live Events but I just knew

777
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:29,800
them as an education kind of
platform and even back then

778
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,000
2011, much different than they
are now.

779
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,000
So I kind of started like seeing
them around and everything else

780
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,400
but it wasn't until Team when I
actually started working with

781
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,400
them where, you know, where they
started publishing my courses

782
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,300
and having me speak on their
stages, that I really started to

783
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:46,199
get acquainted with the ethos of
Mindvalley from the team

784
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,699
perspective, from the attendees
perspective and it's just, it's

785
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:51,699
just a beautiful gift.
If you're the kind of person

786
00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:54,500
where you feel like you can't
really find your people, you

787
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:56,199
tend to find your people there,
right?

788
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,600
If it's like, there's nothing
you can say there that's weird

789
00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:00,000
which is kind of, kind of a cool
thing.

790
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,300
I've never thought about that
until just now but it's kind of

791
00:35:02,308 --> 00:35:05,400
safe to just be whoever you are
and just and be into whatever

792
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:07,600
weird stuff.
Or not weird stuff you're into.

793
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,700
Like, people are just open and
they're curious.

794
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:13,300
And so for me it's been a game
changer as well in just having

795
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:16,900
access to other humans that are
on the same wavelength that

796
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:20,800
speak the same language that
have the same belief system at a

797
00:35:20,808 --> 00:35:22,800
macro level.
And that's been, that's been

798
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,000
amazing man.
And of course, they put on

799
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,700
Amazing content, they have great
teachers.

800
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:29,800
Great speakers and great events.
Yeah, the tribe, you know, it's

801
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,100
all about the tribe.
Yeah.

802
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:33,800
So what's next for Jason
Goldberg?

803
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:35,800
Yeah.
You know it's interesting man.

804
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,700
It one of I'm working on.
Now is I'm finally writing a

805
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,700
kind of an autobiographical
one-person show.

806
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:43,800
I've been a lot of keynote
speaking for years and I love

807
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,900
it.
I love being on stage and I'm

808
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:48,200
ready for a switch up on how
that's delivered.

809
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,200
And I want to see what else is
possible.

810
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,400
Besides just talking from the
stage with slides behind you and

811
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,800
instead really making kind of a
theatrical performance.

812
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,500
And so I have a co-writer and we
are working on the the one-man

813
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:00,700
show now.
So I'm hoping that that's

814
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,400
something come together.
Probably by early next year, if

815
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,300
all works.
Well, so that's that's one of

816
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:06,500
the big projects I'm working on
On now.

817
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:10,100
Okay, awesome.
Jason, I really want to say

818
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:12,600
thank you so much again.
It was so great to connect,

819
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:16,100
really appreciate all you're
doing and the positivity and

820
00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:18,200
making everyone's life 5%
better.

821
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:23,400
I think mine might be 6.5%
actually sweet, you know, so so

822
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,500
you're quite the overachiever.
But, yeah, if anyone wants to

823
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:30,000
connect with Jason, he is at the
Jason Goldberg.com.

824
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,900
He's on Instagram at the Jason
Goldberg.

825
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,300
Thanks for having me on, man.
Keep up the incredible work.

826
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:36,900
Seriously, you guys are doing
Amazing work.

827
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,800
Thank you so much.
Thank you.

828
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,100
Thanks so much for listening and
I hope you enjoyed that episode

829
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,300
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830
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:49,200
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831
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,800
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833
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:57,900
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834
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:00,800
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836
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:06,300
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837
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,100
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838
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839
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:49,200
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840
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841
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,900
Spotify and other platforms by
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842
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:57,900
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843
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844
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