50: Jason Goldberg Is Ruining Everything (Re-Broadcast) and...Happy 50th to Untether Your Life!

0:00 What is the book title? Prison Break mean does the author have a strong familiarity with the penal system? Or was he trying to capitalize on the popularity of TV shows like Oz? How can reminding ourselves that we are playing a temporary role helped anchor Us in moments of stress? What does it mean? When we say our intuition is drunk, and what can that cringey viral video of a David Hasselhoff laying down, eating a cheeseburger on the floor. Teach us about listening to our intuition. When it's drunk, stay tuned as we touch on these and many other topics on this. Week's episode of untether your life.

0:41 Welcome to untether your life, a show that empowers you to own your own health Break Free of templates for managing physical and mental wellness and looks at Key issues, impacting the South Asian diaspora. I am your host, nikhil torso car and I'm passionate about the power of conversation to catalyze change. Today is a big day for untether your life. As we are celebrating our 50th episode. I'm so grateful to all the listeners, guess and everyone else who helped us get to this huge milestone. I've had so many incredible guests on this show. I wanted to highlight one standout who artfully combines humor and insight to provide self improvement in a way that isn't too preachy or self-serious. Jason Goldberg. I had Jason on the show for episode 36 and I so loved our discussion that I wanted to rebroadcast it and commemorating. This watershed moment in the untether, your life Journey, I'd met Jason through Mindvalley an online personal growth platform that really defies description.

1:35 Probably the closest would be tedx Meats. Burning, Man. An historian aligns very well with the motto of untether your life, which is to break free of templates Hands To Us by society and own your own health. Jason is a tedx speaker bacon at Aryan. That's a vegetarian, who eats bacon? A funky sock lover, a former rapper, who opened up for the Wu-Tang Clan, a former 332 pound, man who has lost over 130 pounds, despite his affinity for bacon. Jason is also a mindset mentor and a leadership coach for celebrities change managers and CEOs. He's also the host of the Jason Gould. Is ruining podcast podcast. Author of The International bestseller on self leadership and titled prison break and creator of the playful prosperity and competition proof business immersion programs and with that let's get untethered.

2:21 So Jason I just want to say thanks so much for joining and it's a real pleasure to have you on. Yeah ma'am. I'm so excited to be here. Thanks for thanks for inviting me on, it was great to see you most recently in l.a. here just a few weeks ago which was an incredible event and love the work that you and Shelly are doing. I think it's just it It's such such incredibly important and such needed conversation for us to be having as much as possible. So I'm totally on board with everything you guys are working on. Yeah, thanks so much, man. I think I want to start off with the title of the book Prison Break. What does the term Prison Break mean? Were you on the TV show Oz? Or what? What, what is? What is your background in your relationship with the, with the penal experience? I guess we're sure we're jumping right into it. Are we going right into it?

3:06 I just wanted to rip off the Name of the TV show and hope that people would buy my book thinking, it was about this issue, which it was funny at that at the last, a Fest in Jordan, back in May, women become up to me. She goes, I'm such a huge fan of your show and I said, what show she's in prison break. I don't like all that different for me. The title of the book came out of a conversation with one of my coaches but the entire premise behind that was it was about how do you how did it feel to live the way that I did for the first 30 years? Right? And the way I live for the first 30 years, was being really a victim of circumstance going on in the world, right? So if good things were happening that I was happy about things were happening, I was sad.

3:47 And so, I'm constantly the whim of my emotions and what's happening in the, in the economy and what's happening in the politics and like, all these different things that became the kind of, you know, deciding factor on how my life would feel. And I didn't know any other way because I was raised by a mom who I love to death. You know, single mother. Only child. I was always the two of us single Jewish mother so she can hear Thing that we're saying right now all the way in Florida and she misses only was it. Yeah, yeah and she was never raised with any of this kind of concept. So she also believed that, if you want to be happy, you have to kind of mold and modifying manipulate everything around you in order to be happy. And that was how I was for the first 30 years. And it really felt like I was in a prison of my own making, it really felt like I was being held captive by something. You know, the trick of this entire thing is that there is no prison.

4:34 It's we are both the captive and the cap torque but it feels that way if Feels like there's something that's holding us down and it's not life is not going to get better unless everything out there changes. And so that's kind of what the premise of the book is. Its how do you break out of this self-imposed prison of the mind and hopefully have a little fun in the process? That's it's a big thing for me is to inject as much humor as possible in the personal growth because otherwise, it gets really serious and really heavy sometimes know, I love that because the term prison break, it's very in a lot of ways. It's similar to our book and our platform with the Shelley story. It's about untethering, your life, regardless. Of race Creed or color or age. I think there are a lot of self-imposed shackles that we walk around with and whether it's what's on our business card. Whether it's that deal we just signed we're really tethering our well-being to what is going on around us. So I think that is a Surefire recipe for disaster. So I've read the book and I'm like I was telling you before. I mean, it's incredible.

5:34 It's a great mix of insight and humor. But in a nutshell, I mean, how did you, how did your Shawshank Redemption come about? Like how does your, how did you manage to engineer a prison break in your life and how are you helping people to do that? Yeah I mean it's different for everybody but it all comes from a different level of understanding, right? If you if you've only ever inhaled your entire life than somebody introducing you to the concept of exhaling, it literally changes your life. Like let's it doesn't have to be a massive business to be a complex thing for it to be transformational the first step for me. I was really beginning to understand the role that I was playing in the experience that I was having that's not meant to be an opening for shame and blame and beating yourself up which is exactly what I did.

6:19 When I when I first had this kind of insight that that it was that I was the cause for lack of a better word, we can dive deeper into that. But the language I had back then was that I was the cause when I had that realization which is kind of the the first chapter of the book prison break. It's called the day the universe cut me off, and it was this moment where I had this Something happened with my bank, which really shined light on the fact that while I was living my life through the lens of, who can I blame? And that's just the way I am. Like these permanent pervasive things that I thought. It's who I am. If that's just who I am, I get angry. That's just who I am. I get, you know, sad about things where I get mad about things or my happiness is dictated by outside things. That's just the way I am. It was very rigid. It was it was like, writing your name internally finishes? Yeah, it's just there forever.

7:04 And so, it was that day that started started Deliberation. It didn't feel like Liberation that first day when I had that realization of like oh wow I'm doing this to myself. But eventually the more I do of into it and ask myself like listen, there are people who have been through objectively far, worse things than I had been through and I've been through some stuff and this is not to compare traumas. You can drown in eight feet of water, or eight inches of water, but, but the fact remains that, there are people that I saw that, I felt had objectively, been through things that were even tougher than that. I've been through and they didn't seem to be suffering the way that I suffered And so, it became something for me, you know, my background was in tech. I was in tech Consulting for 15 years. And so, a big part of that is reverse engineering.

7:45 Looking at the way things work, breaking him down, reverse engineering, so you can build it up again, somewhere else in a different way. And so, I applied that same thing here and said, well, what is it? These people know that, I don't know. I feel like I'm a fairly smart guy and I'm missing something. So, maybe there's something here for me to learn. And that's when I really started diving into personal growth, but I wasn't until I was 29. I was almost 30 years old by that point. So it's not like this was not something introduced to me at 16 and I've Doing it my whole life. I was a grown man with, you know, who was married at the time and having well over six figure salary and have the house of the car and all the things and I still had ever been exposed in that stuff. So that was a big turning point for me is just to be exposed to those Concepts. We talked earlier about how the Surefire way to guaranteed misery is to have your happiness, dictated by external factors and sort of the situations.

8:32 And that's an interesting thing to think about, because people would not believe it. You used to be 330 pounds, and now you're in really good shape. I'd love to hear more about sort of what how weight loss played out for you. I mean, in terms of like, what impact did that have on your overall happiness because obviously self-image is huge. What was that like for you? I mean was it like basically you shed the weight and then all of a sudden the skies parted and you were just a Happy Clam or was it a little bit different I loved if you could walk me through that a little bit. Yeah. And that's it's so funny that you ask that because that's exactly what it wasn't. And I'm glad it happened that way because it had. It had to help reinforce for me that external things happening are not always going to make you happy.

9:17 If they did, they would continually make you happy, they had you know, this thing they did with kids, I think it was at Harvard where they had you know, they asked all the kids like you know raise your hand if you getting your acceptance letter to Harvard was the best day of your life and everybody's hand shoots up and now they've been in school for six months or a year and they say, okay now keep your hand up. If you still feel that level of excitement for being a student at Harvard and all the hands, Down. And it's like, well, well if the thing made you happy, then the thing should always make you happy. If the thing doesn't make you happy, if it makes you happy at one point, it doesn't make you happy to another point. Then where do they happiness? Actually come from. The thing that I believe here is that resistance plays a huge role in our experience of Life resistance to our experience. And so it's really interesting to think about this through the lens of what if the reason that I am happy?

10:01 When I get the letter from Harvard, I'm happy when I get married. I'm Happy when I close the sale, like, whatever those things are. What if the reason I'm happy is not because of the thing that happened, but because I wasn't in resistance to the thing that happened and people never think about including myself. I never thought about resistance as it relates to positive things, we're always told like, oh, don't resist your sadness. Don't resist your fear. Don't resist your whatever, but but notice that saying, yes, which happens by default, when it's a good thing, there's no part of you that has to think about it, but saying yes, to an experience that is quote, happy is what brought you the And that can be flipped around if you go to give me ten thousand dollars and you say Jason I got this ten thousand dollars. I want to give it to you and I go. No I just I can't I can't receive that.

10:43 I can't accept that. I've just said no to something and now you trying to give me ten thousand dollars. Doesn't make me happy where most people would say. Like know if you give me 10,000 hours, there's no scenario where I wouldn't be happy. Well, I just showed you one, right? And so it's if we are in resistance to a good thing, it's no different than being resistance to a bad thing. It's the exact same thing. So if that logic works and the flip side of that should, Work as well. If we are open to and say yes to the good things and also our open and say yes to the quote, bad things are uncomfortable. Things are heavy things, then maybe we can have an experience of Happiness. Regardless of what's going on. Now, there may be a different level of what it feels like happiness for you. But what if you could have like a contented Joy, maybe it's not a crazy enthusiastic over the top joint but what if you can have a contented Joy just by saying yes, to the things you would normally say no to, like, falling into like, basically I think is like yeah, yeah. Yeah exactly for your falling in like instead of falling in love it's a huge huge thing and the more I can do that the more I can just say yes to this.

11:42 Yes to this. I welcome that you're allowed in. Come on in, sit down. I invite you in the more that I do that. I notice that my sadness is not caused by events. My sadness is caused by the resistance that I have to actually having those events be here. That's great. The thing that I love in your book, Jason is just the way you sort of Peel back the onion. In you look at different layers of language in a lot of Expressions that are used. And you know, one of the interesting things was, you know, you were circumstance of not just wait like physical weight but also like temporal the concept of waiting and sort of waiting for things to turn around the other thing that I really love and I would love for you to talk about more is the concept of play.

12:27 The traditional definition of play is one that I don't really do a whole lot with at least not in coaching and stuff. So I like to have fun and be playful. And make jokes and all that stuff. But that's that's not what I mean. When I talk about being more playful, it's much more of a secondary definition, right? It's like it's it's bringing and energy of play of lightness of levity. It's shifting from being serious to being sincere, right? As Alan Watts talks. It's having that shift. So, you know, if you watch kids who are playing video games, they are playing video games, but they are determine you could like smack them on the back of the head and they won't even pay attention at all. They can go 48 hours, straight over the weekend playing. Their video games without going to the bathroom one time and nobody would say that they were just being frivolous. They are like dialed in and really, really sincere about what they're doing.

13:12 So it's a matter of bringing that. How do we bring that level of playing, which play to me, is your present. When you're in play, you're curious when you're in play, your focus, when you're in play your collaborative, when you're in play, your creative when you're in play. Like these are all the kind of forms of play. And at the deepest levels of this, it's how do we play with what's going on between our ears, right? How do we, how do we play improv with? It's going on between our ears. If we can look at all the thoughts, in our head is just kind of fuel for the best improv game that's ever been invented. Then we can approach it in a different way. We can use this stuff instead of being used by it. So, that's, that's a big part of this. For me, is, how do we play with the thoughts that are in our head? When I look at the most stressful thing going on in my life and asking myself?

13:53 How can I play with this to, the doesn't mean like, how can I ignore this? It doesn't mean how can I get drunk? And pretend this isn't actually a thing in my life. It's like, how can I play with this? How can I bring a spirit of play to the things that I'm doing? Yeah. And that goes back to what you were talking about about not being a victim of your circumstance. Did you ever watch that show? Cheers. I don't know if that's AI, don't know. Yeah, sure. Yeah. So I kind of, I don't know if anyone's ever like I kind of got some Cliff Clavin vibes from a lot of the stuff, you were bringing up and turns it, right? Well, it is Sammy. You know, circumstances from the Latin to stand around and I was like Jason's channeling his inner inner Cliff Clavin saw. Oh, that's so funny. No, I've never heard that before. The first time.

14:35 Yeah, the other thing that is interesting is you've got your book Prison Break. Tell me the name of your podcast again. So the name of the podcast is that the Jason Goldberg is ruining podcasting podcast, right? It seems like destruction is kind of at the core of a lot of what you're doing. Tell me more about sort of like what is the philosophy behind that title? Jason Goldberg is ruining podcasting. Yeah it's you know for me I just I'm always somebody who Wants to try to do things in a in a slightly different way than it's ever been done by get. I'm very uninspired by creating something. That's derivative of what somebody else is already done. And that's different than stealing like an artist.

15:16 It's different than being revolutionary or evolutionary, I should say it. What you create taking what you've, what you've seen from other people bringing your spin into it. Make me your own that, that's how I think really great things are created. But just to say, like, you know, oh, this person is doing a 10-person leadership group. I don't want to do a 10-person leadership group, but that's all He being done. Like how do I make it done in my way? And so I'm always looking at how can I put the JG spin on things. And everybody has their own version of this every single person watching this or listening to this, there's something they can do to make whatever it is, they're doing their own, and that's how it becomes unique and original. And so, for me, the whole concept of the podcast was it felt like for a lot of podcasts. If you look at somebody who's kind of on the podcasting circuit, like maybe they're promoting a book, or they're doing whatever you could kind of hit play on five of them. Views at the same time and you'll get kind of the same conversation all the way through right with slight variations. It's like if you meet a few if you mute the news, if you're a fox Watcher and you mute Fox, you know what they're saying. If you're an MSNBC Watcher, you watch MSNBC you mute it. You still know what they're saying like they're on script all the time and so I wanted to say, well what if what if we change the way that's done?

16:23 What if we brought something in that felt more unique to me or more aligned with me, which I love like the late-night Vibe so I brought more of a late night dive into it. What if it became more playful and what if the goal wasn't Sara Lee to get people, to love your work, you being the guest. What if my, what if my job was not to get the listeners to love my guesswork but instead to love my guest, as a human and that would lead to them wanting to dive more into the work. And so that became the thing is, I had all these different titles and I brought them to the team and I had this one, the Jason Goldberg ruining podcasting podcast and I said it kind of as a joke and they were like wait we like that one. I'm like nah we're not really going to call it that but why not? I'm like screw it. Let's do it and then it just came.

17:05 Yeah. Now a mean it with a title like that it's kind of like you know, you have to you have to tune in. It's almost like you want to Rubberneck the Carnage. You know, you want to see what kind of learn Fire, it's going to be right, so I have listened to it. It's a good podcast, you're definitely overstating. The catastrophic nature of it, it's fun. I mean, you know that we did a lot of fun stuff we've, you know, I would always come up with games specifically for the guests and so if you can watch the video version of it, it's really funny. If you want to see a guy with a viral poem that's been seen by 300, When people wear a rubber band around his neck and have water, spilling out of his face, as he's trying to sing a song that I'm trying to guess, then you probably should watch my podcast. Okay. I gotta dig a little bit deeper there, I think so. You know, obviously we have here for people who are listening to podcast, they won't see it, but the chyron that we have here, it says that you are a celebrity mental performance. Coach, can you tell me a little bit more about your coaching practice like in terms of the profile of clients you work with people?

18:03 You've helped Like some problems because, you know, regardless of how many zeros you have in your paycheck, people are people. I mean, The Human Condition is the same if you're having problems. So I'm sure people listening this can relate regardless of, you know, which celebrity is. I mean there's a I don't really care so much, what the person's profile is, I just want to be inspired by what it is. They want to work on Starbucks Barista or a janitor or whatever could kind of counting like whoever can come to me and if what they wanted to work on something that I felt really inspired to help them with that I'd be open to doing it. Primarily though, what that ends up being is kind of two, sides of the coaching. One is more of a CEO side or people that are leaders usually in small smaller businesses. Usually, it's around sub 10 million or around 10 million or less. And so, that's the one side.

18:47 And then the other side is people that are in entertainment and media. And so, that's going to be actors, directors, writers people that are in entertainment and that's a really special one to me because being raised by a single mom, I was kind of Pop down in front of the TV from a very young age, I was kind of raised a lot by television and became A television fanatic. And what I've gotten from that, like just the the ability, I think to speak better into to be funny and it tells stories like all of that or so much of that came from me. Witnessing these professionals, do it on TV. And then I remember when I first wanted to become a speaker and I was asking people, like, you know, what are some things I should do to become a better speaker, and they said, you got to watch the great watch. Tony Robbins. Watch Les Brown. Watch Zig Ziglar and I'm watching them.

19:27 And again, this like I don't want to do it the way everybody else does it kicked in. And I'm like these guys, they're amazing and Are all kind of doing the same thing with like the motivational thing. And so I was thinking to myself, well, who else can really Captivate an audience and tell stories and it stand-up comics, like they're so good at that. So instead of watching a bunch of Les Brown Zig, Ziglar, Tony Robbins I started watching the Great's and comedy and noticing, how they really just captivated audience with their storytelling and how clever they are and how they just have the audience eating out of the palm of their hands. And so that became a thing for me to really dive into. And so being able to now, coach people that are in entertainment, it feels like a give back that. I'm Ting to contribute to a thing that's given so much to me. So so that's kind of the two sides of the business. As far as what we work on, it's really no different. I mean the actual situation itself will be different. I'm thinking of a client has been an actress. Very successful actress for the last 20-something years, that huge huge hits on TV and in movies. And then she was moving into directing, and now she has to manage an entire crew in an entire team and she has to become a leader, and it's like, it's different than being the performer, right?

20:30 Even writing something. And having somebody else produced and directed. That's Whole different thing, right? She had to really step into this. So in the same way I worked with her on leadership and communication and enrolling, her team into a vision, all these things on a movie set, it's no different than when I work with the CEO of a Mental Health institution, who's trying to grow that business and knows that he needs his team to really be on board with his vision. And so, the things we work with situations, we work with that were attending to may be different but the core elements of how do I how do I show up as a self leader instead of a prisoner? How do I have really effective communication? How do I get People enrolled in my vision, how do I get really clear on who I actually am? So that I know when my ego is trying to run the show versus my true self is trying to run the show, right?

21:12 What's the identity that I need to shift in order to really show up in my best? To make the biggest difference in the biggest contribution with the thing that I'm creating in the world that is across the board with every client in some way, shape or form. That's how that stuff always shows up. Yeah. And obviously, intuition is something that plays into this, and I think there was a chapter in your book says, like your intuition is drunk. Yeah, that was a very interesting topic because my wife is, you know, Shelly, she's also a very big Mindvalley, fits a huge fan of Sonia show, cat who obviously knows loves finally got there so she's and I think Christie Marie. Sheldon those are the two big intuition people that she's really into, but you have a pretty interesting, take on intuition. So I'd love to hear more about that because the sort of a mantra is just follow your intuition.

21:58 Follow your heart etcetera, but in some ways you're saying that could actually be dangerous. So I'd love love to hear more a little bit about that. Sort of how how your intuition might maybe Lead You And Lead You astray. Yeah, totally intuition is a very popular thing that people are talking about in a lot of different ways and I love intuition and I have maybe a slightly different definition of intuition that I think a lot of people think intuition is directly a like connection to Source kind of thing and it's completely spiritual or metaphysical. I tend to think that's one element but I think it's also your own objectivity, your own percent tivity, your ability to make Judgment to look at your own experience and your bias and taken information to be observant and all those things. So, I think all those things together created tuition, the challenge becomes when we try to use a thing like intuition as a blanket tool and we don't look a little bit deeper about the source of that because for example, of I came to you and said the secret to living until your 200 years old is to drink eight glasses of water a day. That's all I tell you and you go cool while I want to live Tom 200.

22:59 I guess I'm going to drink eight glasses of water a day and then I run into three months later and And your eyes are yellow and your skin is like, discolored and like you're falling asleep. Your eyes aren't even open all the way and you seem really lethargic and like, what's going on? Man is I'm like, I don't know. I've been drinking eight glasses of water a day, but it's just not working. I'm like, well, where are you getting this water from? He said, oh there's this like sewer like thing behind my house but I mean, it's water. So I figured it'd be fine. It's like, well, well no, we gotta look at the source. We can't just say like its water. It's he has me clean water, right? And higher Waters water. And so the same thing happens here. So this chapter in the book is actually number one. The one that comes up the most interviews and number to my personal favorite, as in the one I go back to for my own reminders, most often what I'm talking about in this in this chapter is to imagine there's somebody in your life whether it's a coach, or a, you know, a family member or friend or whoever it is that no matter what you're going through, you can go to them and they will drop everything and they'll be there for you.

23:54 They have a give great advice great Insight. They have your best interest at heart. They want you to be happy. And one day you're really really struggling and you go to their house and you open The door to try to get some help from them and when you walk in you see that they are on the floor completely drunk. Just like obliterated drooling, out of their mouth, try and eat a cheeseburger on the floor, like David Hasselhoff and and doing all that stuff and so, so, so thank you. Thank you for ruining my afternoon. I can't get that missile. It's, it's a, it's a hell of an image to have in your head. I apologize. I came for you. At your first thought probably is not going to be to ask them for advice, right?

24:38 You look at them and you probably switch things up in that moment. You say you know what, I know that I'm dealing with something right now but this person is always been there for me, they're always so good to me. They always look out for me. They're not in a great spot right now. I think I need to look out for them for a few minutes. I need to have a little compassion for that and then once they sober up, maybe if I still have a question, I'll ask him a question. And so, that's the way I look at intuition, is that sometimes our intuition is drunk. We're in a low State of Mind. Whether ER, it's just because our thoughts are going crazy, we're feeling overwhelmed something, triggered us, whatever it is. So to ask our quote, intuition for guidance when it's at such a low level of Consciousness, we're not going to get anything that's actually helpful. In fact, most of the time what people think is their issue intuition talking to them, when they're in a low State of Consciousness, it's just their ego beating them up and and to me your intuition will never be unkind.

25:26 Your intuition may be direct and your intuition may say things to you to make you feel uncomfortable but it'll never be unkind, right? So if you're Your intuition for some kind of advice or guidance and you get an unkind response. You say, you know, intuition I just really I really need to have some direction on what I should do next to my business and intuition goes, are you sure you're even cut out to be an entrepreneur? Well, that's not your freaking intuition, right? That's that's been unkind thing. Say so instead what I say is if you're feel like in a low level of Consciousness and you have something you really want to ask your intuition for guidance, on let it sober up first and just like a person who's really drunk and real life, you can't force them to get sober any quicker than they get. Sober people think it greasy cheeseburger and, and like, milk or something. We'll do it, it doesn't do it.

26:07 Science. Science has proven that doesn't work that way, but if you just allow the system to do, what it does, it will naturally return to a higher level of Consciousness, especially if you're not resisting it. And then once it comes back to a higher level of Consciousness, then you can ask at the question. So just be aware that the level of Consciousness. Your added, any given moment is really important to know before you dive in. And if you if you notice, there's a there's a power in noticing When you're in a low mood. And what I mean by that is, is that, if I'm, if I'm sitting there and I see all my friends doing jumping jacks, and I say, I want to do jumping jacks, but I can't do jumping jacks. And I'm so pissed off that, I can't do jumping jacks and what's wrong with me and how did I screw up in life? And why am I such a loser?

26:51 All these things about jumping jacks, and then I looked down, and I noticed that I have a broken leg, it still sucks that I can't do jumping jacks, but at least I go. Okay, well, this makes sense my legs broke it. So I just need to let it heal. So, We give me spaces where we're like sad or upset, or angry, just noticing of like oh you know what? I'm going to really low mood. There's no way I'm going to come up with a solution right now. I need to allow myself to just settle. I need to allow this shoke shaken up snow globe that I'm living in right now to just settle on its own and when it does, then I can check in and see what the next best course of action would be Okay, so basically follow that advice, stop it and see what condition my condition was in. I don't know who it was that a Kenny Rogers song? A guy not a Kenny Rogers guy. I'm sorry.

27:35 I can't help you don't doesn't doesn't erase a sample that in one of his tracks that it can. You probably got everything under the sun. In terms of they talk about activating Peak states with flow and meditation mindfulness, like, what are some ways that you found to be helpful? For in terms of getting your intuition sober up or getting into those ideal States. If there's a specific type of meditation. Obviously, if Visions listening, you know, we're doing the six-phase meditation, of course, every day version. The five-phase Meditation member because I'm going to be met, right? Um, so yeah, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I love six phases. Awesome. I think it's a really great one and I meditate every morning for at least 20 minutes, usually, 30 minutes. But if you know, 20 to 30 minutes every morning first thing like just sit up in bed, right? In the meditation still kind of in Theta because I'm not fully awake yet and just Dive Right In. So that's really helpful.

28:28 But the thing, the tool that I use the most and it changes over time as I'm doing this, like, certain tools will resonate for me at certain times. And then at certain times, they won't the one that I lean into the most right now. And I've been leading into for a while, is all around identity and really. I mean, these are these are the three things I help my clients with number one. It's how to shift their identity so they can, you know, know who they truly are and create what they want to create in the world, knowing how to navigate their thinking, so they can have more peace. More joy, less stress less suffering and then how to take more consistent purposeful action out in the world out in the world of form. And so that first one though, the identity piece is such a core piece because if you think about this for a minute, you see a crisp and he did the vomo. Well, he's great.

29:08 But he also has this company called my intent and they make these bracelets, you can get these, like custom bracelets. He had a bunch of great fans there. Okay. I didn't realize that was Chris. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is coming. He was an early Facebook employee and now he has this couple of the, with the bracelets. So I'll tell you my Needs a minute. But so imagine this. Imagine that you are, you are the director of one of the Batman movies, right? One of the actual Batman franchise movies when you think of Batman. What actor do you think of? Because there's been so many. I think I'm Christian Bale. I'm not huge. Okay Christian Bale fine. We can use. Yeah well use Christian Bale. So imagine that you are the director of Batman with Christian Bale and you film a scene in Batman's doing is Batman thing or whatever. And you yell cut scenes over, you're talking to the crew, you're getting ready for the next scene, everything else, and you look over and you see Him pacing back and forth on the set like looking really stressed out and so he's your star. You want to make sure he's okay.

29:58 So you walk up to him, you go him. And what's going on? You look stressed. And he goes, man, I don't know, like, what if what if I'm not strong enough to beat The Joker, right? What if my technology is not powerful enough and what if the people of Gotham die and then it's all my fault. Like how am I supposed to live with the fact that all these innocent people died because I wasn't powerful enough? And you're looking at him thinking, like, what the hell is he talking about? It's a movie. Like this doesn't make any sense, but you want to be, you know, compassionate empathetic. And so you have two choices. Number one, you can say. Okay Batman. Let's figure out how to make your text stronger and beat The Joker and say the people of Gotham or you can remind him that he's Christian Bale playing the role of Batman.

30:42 Hmm and when you really get that when you really really understand that that is a role you are playing but it's not who you are. Then you can relate differently to what those problems are. It's not to say that Batman doesn't actually have things out in the world of form that need to be attended to. This is not about putting your head in the sand and just not doing anything about your life. But if I'm sitting here in the same way, if you have a child and the child has a Barbie doll on the Barbie doll, head gets popped off and they are screaming their lungs out. You relate to that problem differently, because you've seen this before and you know, that the head just pops right back on the body and we're good to go, that's the relationship. I want to bring to my quote problems or the problems that my ego. Has it. So all actually have this as a practice for myself where I will call it out as if I'm talking to somebody, even with nobody here.

31:26 I will say today, I'm playing the role of Jason, the frustrated entrepreneur, who thinks this project should be moving along more quickly, right? That is the role that I am playing today. I am Oscar award-winning when it comes to that, right, that I can mail that roll all day. And so, then I said here, usually, I'll close my eyes for 10 or 15 seconds and I'll say in this moment right now without an attachment to that identity. I'm Not pushing it away. I'm not reframing it, I'm not pretending, it's not there. Seeing the identity of Jason these the frustrated entrepreneur. How does it feel? Right here? Right now? Just In This Moment, without an attachment to that role, right? If they yelled cut and I've gone back to my trailer, how does it feel being back in my trailer after we have cut? Do I feel a little more peaceful? Do I feel more stressful?

32:10 Like what do I feel with that? And when I sit with that again, for 10 or 15 seconds, I always feel some sense of Peace because it, Is this thing because the threats that we experience our only threats to our egos unless you're in a war zone or you're walking down the street at night and there's some guy picking his teeth with a machete. But for the most part, the things that we experience, they are threats to our ego. They're not for us to who we actually are. So if we can depersonalize, who we actually are from the ego, then we get to say, oh ego, I see that you have actual problems and I'm here to help you from a peaceful State who doesn't confuse Who I Am with the ego having these problems. And so if the reminder for me, I have this bracelet that I've made that says not Batman. Yeah. And that's my reminder that. I'm not that man.

32:51 But I am Jason Goldberg playing the role of Batman in any given day. And when I forget that, when I confuse Who I Am with, these thoughts, and feelings, and emotions, and stories, then I suffer when I create some space, that's when I don't suffer anymore. I love that. I love that. Mine says breed. So I just got one of the regular bracelets, but that's that's a great one. It's, it is so important Mindvalley. I'd like, I want to hear more about your experience with my belly because for me it's been a complete Game Changer. I always say it's the three C's the content community, and connections, just, and the fourth one being cacao. But they're, you know, they had some Ceremonies for that, but that's optional, right? That's an interest.

33:32 But what what is Mindvalley meant to you? I wish they'd tedx. It's burning man. But what is mine Valley meant to you? Yeah, I mean I first heard about Mindvalley in like 2011. Yeah. 2011 was the first time I heard this is when I was in my abs and my first startup at that time, it was a transportation startup. And I happened to meet some guy and I was in a tech incubator at that point with my first startup. And he came in to do some talk about like purpose and vision and stuff like that, and he gave me as a gift. This USB drive with these things called philosophers notes, on them and philosophers notes. This guy called Brian Johnson, he writes he's like six page. Summaries of all the different spiritual and personal growth books out there. And he gave this to me as a gift. And so then I went to go look up Brian Johnson and I saw that Mindvalley was actually the distributor for his philosophers known.

34:17 So, that's how I heard about Mindvalley in 2011. And then, it wasn't until years later, like I didn't even know they had Live Events. The whole like tedx Meats burning man, that's great for the Live Events but I just knew them as an education kind of platform and even back then 2011, much different than they are now. So I kind of started like seeing them around and everything else but it wasn't until Team when I actually started working with them where, you know, where they started publishing my courses and having me speak on their stages, that I really started to get acquainted with the ethos of Mindvalley from the team perspective, from the attendees perspective and it's just, it's just a beautiful gift. If you're the kind of person where you feel like you can't really find your people, you tend to find your people there, right? If it's like, there's nothing you can say there that's weird which is kind of, kind of a cool thing.

35:00 I've never thought about that until just now but it's kind of safe to just be whoever you are and just and be into whatever weird stuff. Or not weird stuff you're into. Like, people are just open and they're curious. And so for me it's been a game changer as well in just having access to other humans that are on the same wavelength that speak the same language that have the same belief system at a macro level. And that's been, that's been amazing man. And of course, they put on Amazing content, they have great teachers. Great speakers and great events. Yeah, the tribe, you know, it's all about the tribe. Yeah. So what's next for Jason Goldberg? Yeah. You know it's interesting man. It one of I'm working on. Now is I'm finally writing a kind of an autobiographical one-person show.

35:40 I've been a lot of keynote speaking for years and I love it. I love being on stage and I'm ready for a switch up on how that's delivered. And I want to see what else is possible. Besides just talking from the stage with slides behind you and instead really making kind of a theatrical performance. And so I have a co-writer and we are working on the the one-man show now. So I'm hoping that that's something come together. Probably by early next year, if all works. Well, so that's that's one of the big projects I'm working on On now. Okay, awesome. Jason, I really want to say thank you so much again. It was so great to connect, really appreciate all you're doing and the positivity and making everyone's life 5% better. I think mine might be 6.5% actually sweet, you know, so so you're quite the overachiever. But, yeah, if anyone wants to connect with Jason, he is at the Jason Goldberg.com.

36:30 He's on Instagram at the Jason Goldberg. Thanks for having me on, man. Keep up the incredible work. Seriously, you guys are doing Amazing work. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening and I hope you enjoyed that episode four more of these types of conversations. Please visit us at untether, your life that Co you can also find us on Instagram at untether your life, as well as on Apple Spotify and other platforms by searching for untether, your life. And if you did enjoy this episode, please leave us a review or share it with someone who might also benefit. Thanks. And until the next time we meet stay untethered. Thanks so much for listening and I hope you enjoyed that episode four more of these types of conversations. Please visit us at untether, your life that Co you can also find us on Instagram at untether your life, as well as on Apple Spotify and other platforms by searching for untether, your life. And if you did enjoy this episode, please leave us a review or share it with someone who might also benefit. Thanks. And until the next time we meet stay untethered.